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03 January 2016 @ 07:31 pm
Hi, I am completely clueless as to what I should do about my dilemma.I want the menstrual cup to work SO badly but it just isn't working for me. It worked perfectly for the first one or two cycles I used it but after that it began to leak. I went a few cycles with it leaking and just wearing a pad with it. I had the Diva Cup and thought that it might not have been firm enough because it seemed as if the cup was not sealed when I took it out even when I thought I turned it and inserted it properly for it to pop open. The cup began to smell so I threw it away, then I later found out there was a way to get the smell out but that's a different story. I did some research and decided to go with a size 2 Lunette cup because it's firmer and I have a heavy flow. Well now I'm on my period and it worked the first night (last night) but when I woke up the cup opened and began to leak and now it continues to leak. I've re-inserted it at least four times today in hopes I'll get it right but no luck. I know it's sealed when inserted because I feel around the rim once it's in my vagina and it's completely opened. I felt for my cervix today and it's high I guess (I have to insert my middle finger as high as I can in order to touch it and I have pretty long fingers), and the cup isn't inserted as high as my cervix but quite close. I'm at a loss and I really want it to work, like I consider it a god send lol...at least when it worked. Any tips or just anything? I will say though, the only thing I haven't done are kegel exercises. So maybe that's it?

One more thing, may or may not help, but earlier today when I was taking the cup out I noticed that it moved pretty high in my vagina, like I was really reaching for it to come out when I know I hadn't inserted it that way originally. Still leaks of course and it was also tilted. It went up much higher than originally and was at a tilt towards the left. I believe I've read some posts that say it may move like that because it's accommodating to my cervix? Either way, thanks in advance for anything any you all can add to help me situation, if you can. Also, if I can't get the cup to work properly, what should I do for my period? I guess I'm left with unbleached pads and tampons?

Side note: the cup isn't full when it begins to leak. It'll leak soon after I insert it.
ysalkeld on January 4th, 2016 02:23 am (UTC)
i'm about 5months into using a cup. i just wanted to see if you had read the segments detailing "residual slobber"? is the leaking A LOT or just enough to use a little mini pad. I only have to use the tiniest of pads in the first few days bc of residual slobber. my cup is never completely full when i change that's how I know its what was "left in the chamber" so to speak. it's still ONE MILLION times better than the tampons/pads I was using. Just curious:) hang in there. I'm a lunette 2 user also.
diamho on January 4th, 2016 02:35 am (UTC)
I just checked it out, but I wish it was. It is actually leaking, like I'll feel it leak at times but when I insert it I run my finger around the edges it is open. Thanks for the feedback though! But yeah if I continue to use the cup I have to wear pads too because of the leakage :(
Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on January 4th, 2016 03:19 am (UTC)
I'm stumped. But have you read this yet? http://kuradi8.livejournal.com/
diamho on January 4th, 2016 05:51 am (UTC)
Now I have, thanks! It was helpful, I think. I ended up going through a few blog posts because they were mentioned within each other. Well one thing I am sure about is that I do have a high cervix, at least using the knuckle test. I'm still a bit stumped as well, sadly, because I would assume that the Lunette 2 cup would be fine since my cervix is high and the cup is long. I definitely could've used that post when I first became aware of menstrual cups. Oh well, you live and you learn. Thanks again, it may just be a learning curve I still have yet to get used to. I'll update you all if anything changes in case someone else could find this all useful as well.
elisamba on January 4th, 2016 08:45 am (UTC)
I remember one poster talking about having a retroverted uterus, so a different cervix placement. For example, the advice is often to aim towards the tailbone, but that's not true for everyone. Once she figured out how to "aim" towards her cervix, things improved. You can also try bearing down while inserting the cup, it brings the cervix lower and may help the seal. Lastly, you may need to make the holes bigger.
diamho on January 4th, 2016 05:13 pm (UTC)
As silly as this may sound, up until last night I had been solely inserting it; not really paying attention to whether I was inserting in reference to the tailbone. I believe I would usually insert the cup at an angle, but last night I inserted it towards the tailbone and while there was less leakage, there was leakage. There may be less leakage because I inserted it better or because it was night, either way much more of the blood was in the cup. I think I will try squatting and checking for my cervix and then inserting the cup while squatting as well (I usually insert it while on the toilet). I will also look into the holes. Thanks for the info! Maybe a trip to the gynecologist could also help give me answers.

Edited at 2016-01-04 05:13 pm (UTC)
swwav on January 4th, 2016 10:23 am (UTC)
When it leaks, and when it leaked with your Diva, does it leak consistently from one side? From different sides? I wonder if it's just a matter of positioning/angling, although it sounds like you've tried a lot to get it right.

As for what you can do if the cup doesn't work (but hopefully it will soon enough!) - as well as unbleached pads/tampons, there are disposable cups like Instead Softcups, and there are other reusables like cloth pads and a few different types of reusable tampons. I delved deeply into information about these when my cup wasn't working for me initially, so I'm happy to expand on resources for info if you're interested in any of it!
diamho on January 4th, 2016 05:22 pm (UTC)
I just got through replying to the person above you and I mentioned how I actually inserted the cup in reference to the tailbone and when I took it out this morning I actually did notice leakage on one side of the cup. The other times I've been using the cup I do believe there's been much all over the cup in general, but I didn't think to pay attention because I was so annoyed with it leaking and just wanting it to work lol. I do think it has a lot to do with my positioning and angling but i'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. So the cup didn't work for you, but now it does? What did you do? I've heard of reusable cloth pads and tampons, but have never delved into reading on it. I will definitely check it out! If you have any insights or tips with the reusable cloth pads and tampons I'm all ears because right now I decided to take the cup out and will just try again tomorrow; feeling a little hopeless lol
swwav on January 4th, 2016 07:48 pm (UTC)
Have you tried different folds as well? Some can work better than others to get the positioning right. You might need to angle the cup in a particular direction to suit your cervix, maybe higher up as well (or lower - leaking can mean you're missing your cervix so it's all about finding the right position).
I also wanted to second that Youtube is a great resource for reviews and info on different cups! - there are also comparison videos so you can see the difference between your cup and others in terms of shape, size, firmness, and design. That along with the cup charts here and here can help a lot.
I'm using a Diva - I had problems in the beginning that were mostly just learning curve things - at first I couldn't get insertion and removal quite right, then when I got the hang of it I was leaking consistently and it was never comfortable. My particular problem was Diva-specific though - the tiny holes of that cup. I enlarged them and haven't had a problem since, but as far as I know Lunettes have pretty decent sized holes.

As for cloth pads and reusable tampons, I would again say Youtube's a great place for info! There's a wealth of information on there for beginners, and as far as cloth pads go Amy Nix, Precious Stars Pads, and Pad Thai all have great videos for beginners (and good reviews for a variety of brands, most are on Etsy - Amy, PSP, and others also have videos about making your own. There's also a good amount of videos about washing, storage, different fabrics, etc - I watched a lot of videos in the beginning!)
Even with a cup cloth liners are pretty great for 'residual slobber.' I have some cloth pads as well for when I don't feel like wearing a cup, they're really comfortable and I've been really happy with them.
Some good starting points: Cloth pad FAQ by a Canadian cloth pad seller, Starting out with cloth pads, 5 Common Questions from People New to Cloth Pads, 10 Things I Learned About Cloth Pads, Tips for Using Cloth Pads, Crochet tampons, Sea sponges.
smudgefox on January 4th, 2016 12:06 pm (UTC)
Sizing and shape problems maybe?
Have you considered that it might be the wrong size cup?

If a cup is too big it can leak because it won't be able to open fully, or your muscles will push on it crumpling one of the sides in.

If a cup is too small it will leak almost right away or move around causing leakage.

I'm personally of the opinion that may be why there are so many reports of Diva cups doing flips on people, it's a proportionately longer and narrower shape. So if you have enough space to accommodate it it might be too narrow to stay in place.

But Don't give up, keep trying! In fact there are two newer U.S. cup companies that are both more affordable than the Diva or Lunette.
The Super Jennie and the Eva Cup, Eva cup is the firmer one, and S.J. is a larger one with huge capacity. Both are starting to get good reviews on YouTube. :)
Good Luck in your quest!
diamho on January 4th, 2016 05:30 pm (UTC)
Re: Sizing and shape problems maybe?
Last night when I was reading through the posts of sizes and shapes I did consider it could be a sizing problem, but I do know that the cup isn't crumbling in. I do feel like that was happening to the Diva Cup, but this Lunette cup is much firmer and I'm pretty positive it isn't crumpling but I will pay more attention tonight/tomorrow. I'm taking a break for the day from the cup and will insert it before I go to bed and will check it out and try again tomorrow.

Honestly, I also want to believe it's not a sizing problem because these cups are not cheap and I'm a 17 y/o without a job lol, but since you've mentioned the Eva Cup and Super Jennie I will definitely check them out and look at reviews on YouTube as well. Who knows, this could be my save all. I think I may lean towards the Eva cup because it is firmer though. Thanks for the help as well!

Yesterday was the first time I came upon this website, and everyone is so friendly and helpful. Thanks again everyone!
elisamba on January 4th, 2016 07:10 pm (UTC)
Re: Sizing and shape problems maybe?
Keep on reading, there are so many tips, it's easier for you to see yourself in one than for us to keep guessing :) You are in the "learning curve" and should be able to figure out how to use your Lunette, it seems to be a pretty fail-proof cup for beginners. (Incidentally if your Lunette moved that high, your Diva probably would have fit fine with a little practice.)

You haven't told us yet if you have heavy flow. Though if the cup leaks nearly immediately, I guess it isn't simply full. Here is a diagram of how you can accidentally miss your cervix. http://wiki.easycup.fr/utilisation:insertion
diamho on January 5th, 2016 01:38 am (UTC)
Re: Sizing and shape problems maybe?
Oh yes, I did forget to mention my flow. My period lasts 7-8 days and is heavy the first two days w/ cramps and then days 3-6 or so are moderate and then my last two days are very light. I am currently on my third day and am giving it a try again tonight. I also don't think it was a full capacity problem with the problem, but there was also more blood in the cup and leaking those first two days due to them being the heaviest days. The problem with the Diva cup is that it was being squished, like it would be opened properly and I would feel it crumble. I liked the diagram and that very well may be my problem. I know I just need to be patient with this. Thanks for the info :)
Kathlynekathlyne on January 4th, 2016 11:40 pm (UTC)
Things that you mentioned--the cup being tilted, leakage being on one side, and the cup leaking immediately--lead me to believe that you are missing your cervix. You might have a dangly cervix and be opening the cup next to, rather than under your cervix. It is like holding a glass next to a faucet rather than under it.

When you sweep your finger around to make sure the cup is open really reach up there and see if you can feel the end of your cervix. If you can, then you need to reposition the cup. Try to aim it to the side where you felt the end of your cervix.

Also--if you have a dangly cervix a rounder bottomed, bell-shaped cup may work better for you (give you more capacity). I also went from Diva to Lunette and then I finally tried the large Fleur and that really worked for me, but first I had to figure out where to aim the cup.
diamho on January 5th, 2016 01:48 am (UTC)
After what many of you all have said, I do believe I just keep missing my cervix. I will try to feel for my cervix with the cup in. The thing is that it is not easy because I already have to really reach in w/o the cup just to barely touch my cervix. I will try that method tonight though. Hopefully, I insert it correctly and don't feel my cervix. It is a bit of a tight fit to get my finger w/ the cup in, but practice makes perfect.

Thanks and one more thing, I didn't really see much of a difference in shape of the Fleur and Lunette large cup. I did notice that the Fleur holds more and is less firm. How did it work better for you? Is it because it's not as firm?
Kathlynekathlyne on January 5th, 2016 02:56 am (UTC)
The lunette is pointier than the fleur--and it's enough to make a difference for me. For me it was all about shape--firmness didn't make any difference. The rounder bottom gives more capacity because my cervix takes up room in the (top of the) cup. It just works better for me. I could use the Lunette, but on my heaviest days the extra capacity of the Fleur (or super Jennie) is necessary.
diamho on January 6th, 2016 02:52 am (UTC)
Problem Solved!
I feel quite silly, but the problem has been solved. I've been making sure my cervix is in the cup and it has been fantastic. There was a bit of residual slobber the first time but everything is smooth sailing. Although I could've found this solution without having to make a question, I still thank all of you for your input and support!
smudgefox on January 6th, 2016 10:31 am (UTC)
Re: Problem Solved!
Never feel silly, there is definitely a learning curve with cups and it's easy to get overwhelmed if you don't have anyone to ask. I know things would have gone so much more quickly for me if I'd had this kind of help when I started using one, if only because of the reassurance it would have provided.

Congrats on getting it to work for you!
elisamba on January 6th, 2016 07:51 pm (UTC)
Re: Problem Solved!
Not silly at all! That's what we're here for, glad to hear our collective tips put you on the right track :)
kripaluyoginikripaluyogini on January 9th, 2016 12:11 am (UTC)
RE: Re: Problem Solved!
How can you tell if your cervix is in the cup! I had a difficult time with that on my first cup run. I have to wait til next month but the last time I put the cup in and was trying to feel for my cervix and just couldn't because the cup was in the way! How can I tell if it's in it just beside it? There's not enough room for my finger and the cup!
diamho on January 9th, 2016 07:45 pm (UTC)
Re: Problem Solved!
Hi! Yeah I was having the same problem because my vagina was too tight, but I had to just learn to relax my muscles even more so I could actually move my finger around with the cup inside.

First, I feel for my cervix, then I aim the cup for where I felt my cervix. After that, I feel around the cup where I felt my cervix and see if my cervix is outside or inside the cup. I know it's inside the cup if I don't feel my cervix where I felt it before. If I do feel my cervix, then I try to move the cup to cover the cervix. Someone else said take it out and try again, but I feel that can become a bit redundant if I continuously miss my cervix; therefore, I try to move the cup while it's in me if I happen to miss it. Then after I'm sure the cervix is in the cup, I make sure the cup is completely open and viola!

Honestly, key is to just relax even more so that you can fit your finger and the cup. When I was having trouble at first, I just kept telling myself that a baby's head will hopefully come through there, so, if that is to happen, I think I should be able to fit my finger and the cup lol. Good luck!

P.S. You could still practice with the cup even though you aren't on your period, that is if you wish to.
kripaluyoginikripaluyogini on January 9th, 2016 08:31 pm (UTC)
RE: Re: Problem Solved!
Thank you for those tips, greatly appreciated! I guess the learning curve will be a bit messy then! I'll try that next cycle!!