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You'd think this would be obvious, what with all the reading/researching/youtubing I've done!
Yo all. I'm hoping for just your basic cup ideas, "where the heck is my cervix," and "how the hell do these things work" help like everyone else on this community (sub? group?).
I've measured my cervix the past couple days of my period (the first two days of it really), standing, with one leg on a toilet (is that how I should do it?), and haven't been able to reach it (I think, could I be passing it?). My middle finger is 3ish inches, but I'm not sure if I've reached it all in. So I guess I have a high cervix, which is rather unfortunate because I'm freaked out about being able to get out a cup--I have never even really used tampons before. Because scratchy and weirded out by my body--but no more!
I've been planning to get the Lunette model 1 (because I'm a virgin, though 19, and not a tampon-user). But the Ruby cup also seems nice--but probably the small, even though it's new. I fear now though that they would be too short. Maybe the Lily? And, like everyone with a moderate flow, I think I have a heavy flow, and it lasts a week.
Do I need to be able to stick two fingers in in order to get it out? Do people just reach their pointer finger and middle finger in, pinch the stem, and then pull? How do you break the seal then? Do people somehow, magically, also fit their thumb in? And, of course, I imagine the blood absolutely spilling everywhere. But, eh, it's just a little blood.
Should I just go ahead and order a Lunette? I found a coupon code that's only good until the end of June...
It's SMR2015 incase any of you didn't know but wanted to.
 
whimsys_mayhemwhimsys_mayhem on June 24th, 2015 04:52 am (UTC)
How to Remove a Cup
Hey,

I'm new here and all (and I totally didn't even *know* there was a community for this lol) but I saw this post in...someplace on my homepage, not sure why or how or where. At least I *think* it was my homepage?

ANYWAYS.

Honestly, the difference I've seen between the two sizes of cups is only 4mm, so it shouldn't matter if you get the bigger one. To get it out, yes, you can stand with one foot on the toilet- but if you spill, then you'll have to clean the floor. I get it out while half-squatting, half-standing over the toilet, and use one hand to hold the little, erm, stick?, that is at the bottom of the cup, and the other to slip my index finger in along the side of the cup, and when I feel I've got it at least half-way up the cup, I just push in; you hear the seal releasing and air slightly whooshing. Then you can just gently ease it out with the hand holding the end of it. I strongly suggest *against* holding the actual cup as you pull it out unless you're in the shower or standing over the toilet: you'll unintentionally squeeze it and spill everything. Only once it's almost all out hold it *without squeezing*. Then simply tip it over onto the toilet or the shower drain, wipe yourself clean, insert clean cup, and either wrap the used cup in toilet paper and stick in your cup-baggie, or if possible, wash it in the sink before putting it away. You do know how to insert it, yes? And...ok, I just looked at the models you mentioned (because I use none of them) and I gotta say...the Lily looks kinda scary. I *so* would not use that, but hey, whatever works for each, yeah? :) Best of luck!

PS Your cervix is the little bump of bone you feel when you stick your finger inside. Also, if you have an unruptured hymen, please be aware that it may rupture with the use of the cup, and that it may be painful.
rainstormj on June 24th, 2015 04:58 am (UTC)
Re: How to Remove a Cup
Haha, thanks!
When you say "reach your hand in" do you mean reach all five fingers of your hand in? How many fingers to "grab" the stem? That's mainly the part I'm confused on. How many fingers total do I have to be able to fit in? What if I can't reach the stem because my fingers aren't long enough and my cervix is too high?
Which cup do you use? How high is your cervix? I can't reach mine so I'm assuming it's high.
The Lily actually seems one of the least scary to me since it rolls up so small and people say it has a very nice, smooth silicone.
And yeah I suppose my hymen could tear a bit but then it won't hurt anymore...it has to tear sometime.

Edited at 2015-06-24 05:02 am (UTC)
whimsys_mayhemwhimsys_mayhem on June 24th, 2015 05:22 am (UTC)
Re: How to Remove a Cup
I just use two fingers, sometimes three, to grab the stem. Mostly I just use my middle finger and thumb, then add my index to the grip once I've pulled it a little bit past the opening. They don't even go in but for the very tips of them, and since the cup is silicon, it stretches, so I can pull the stem a little to get my fingers out so I can push in that one finger from my other hand. I...actually don't know my size. I just looked at the cups, saw the different measurements from Large and Medium/Small, and, since I have a heavy flow, chose the Large one anyways even though as just under 26 and a virgin as well I 'should' have picked the Medium/Small. No big deal, like I said, only 4mm indifference. Also, I actually don't know what brand I'm using, I bought them off Ebay since I didn't want to spend too much on something that might not have worked: got two for around 6 USD and another two of a different kidn for around 4.50 USD. So I have four (and I was right in ordering doubles since I practically immediately lost one of each OTL I still don't know what happened to them...) and they arrived in clear plastic baggies without any brand name. They *are* silicone and very comfortable though, and since they last for about 10 yrs before they need replacing (unless you, like me, lose them...), so I'm set for now. I don't even know how one would go about measuring their cervix other than sticking a ruler or measuring tape inside there, so...yeah. Not plannin' on doin that. Have you tried reaching for your coccyx while you're NOT standing as straight as you can be? And you've already reached your cervix: that's what the vaginal passage into the uterus is called, so just by sticking your finger inside you you've already touched it. X.x While I *can* touch my coccyx, I don't know if that's normal or not, but I do know that the cup will bump into it by itself, so you shouldn't need to worry about slipping it all the way inside. And in the extraordinary case it did for some reason slip all the way inside, with patience and a lot, a LOT of lube and relaxation, you can reach inside and get it out: however, I strongly suggest against doing this if you're worried about merely getting a few fingers inside you. Head to a hospital and they'll get it out for you- they should *not* need to operate, they can simply do what I mentioned and slowly slip a hand inside to get it out, so don't let them con you into paying for 'emergency surgery'. Sure, it'll bloody up a few sheets and lab coats, but hey, it's really not that hard. And yes, I do have experience (of a sort): a friend of mine in high school once tried to use three tampons at once because she didn't want to wear pads with her gymnastics uniform, and one tampon wasn't enough to last her more than maybe two hours- the pressure and movements actually pulled them inside her, and as she didn't want her mom to find out, we kinda holed up in my room and I got them out of her. Made a mess of my favourite towel, I can tell you that, but she was fine.

Hope I've been at least a little bit of help! If you need/want more reassurances/instructions, just leave a message, as I'm goin to sleep now- need to be up in about 4hrs for work. OTL

Best Wishes!
rainstormj on June 24th, 2015 05:38 am (UTC)
Re: How to Remove a Cup
Ok, that's helpful, thanks!
On this sub there's a measuring guide for finding your cervix just with your finger (one nuckle is low, two is medium, can't reach is high) and people recommend cups based off that. (the cervix, from my understanding based on researching on here and youtube videos, is the neck of your uterus and feels like the tip of your nose) Maybe it's not that important for me to find it though since you seem to have figured it out!
But yeah maybe sometime I'll try a larger cup. It's good the ebay ones worked for you but I'd be afraid to try for fear of what they could be made of since they're unbranded!
Someone else suggested just bearing down to get the stem out, which seems like a good idea to me. I don't think it could go all the way up inside me since my cervix would be there to stop it.
Thanks for your help and have a lovely day!

Edited at 2015-06-24 05:38 am (UTC)
Sayga: cat-artemis runningsayga on June 24th, 2015 09:32 pm (UTC)
RE: Re: How to Remove a Cup
I might be missing something but I think you're confusing the names of things and/or confused about your anatomy.

"And you've already reached your cervix: that's what the vaginal passage into the uterus is called, so just by sticking your finger inside you you've already touched it" -- This isn't right. The cervix is the "doorway" to the uterus, but no, you haven't touched it just because you're put your fingers inside you. The cervix is like a rubbery donut, and it can be high enough that some women can't touch theirs at all. I didn't use to be able to touch mine when I had my IUD and was supposed to check to make sure the strings were still in place. Now 8 years later, my cervix is a lot lower than is used to be.

"While I *can* touch my coccyx, I don't know if that's normal or not, but I do know that the cup will bump into it by itself" -- The coccyx is your tailbone and the menstrual cup doesn't go anywhere near the tailbone. Do you mean the pubic bone?

I'm not trying to pick on you. This can all be complicated. I just want to make sure you not only have facts straight for yourself, but also so you don't confuse the people you're offering advice to.
whimsys_mayhemwhimsys_mayhem on June 24th, 2015 09:48 pm (UTC)
Re: Re: How to Remove a Cup
Ack, you might be right. ...actually, you most probably are. I haven't looked at an anatomy book since high school, but those names seemed right, and at work no one's corrected me when we talk about this stuff and everyone refers to those same things the same way I do, so I figured I was right. Should have checked first, my bad!

Thank you so much for posting corrections to my erroneous post!! n.n"

Best Wishes~!
Sayga: doves-pecksayga on June 24th, 2015 10:01 pm (UTC)
Re: How to Remove a Cup
Thanks for taking it in the spirit it was offered. :) I was going to tell you that the cervix is a round muscle but then I looked it up first to make sure, and realized I was wrong about that, so I know this stuff just gets away from you sometimes. :)
trejoytrejoy on June 30th, 2015 09:43 pm (UTC)
Re: How to Remove a Cup
Great job explaining anatomy! I hope this translates as humorously as it struck me, but when I read the menstrual cup doesn't go near the tailbone, I couldn't help laughing. My cervix is long and far to the back, usually as close to the coccyx as it can possibly get! It took two years for me to find it. =D
lalala331 on August 21st, 2015 03:54 pm (UTC)
Re: How to Remove a Cup
I generally use my middle or pointer finger to reach in behind underneath the cup, (if that makes any sense)and push the cup, so that the suction breaks, and grab the stem with my other hand, and pull slowly. Sometimes, I even fold the cup a bit , so it is easier to come out. Hope that helped!
Saruwatari Aiko - love seems to hate mestephynee_c on June 24th, 2015 04:58 am (UTC)
Hi there!

Getting the cup out can be pretty easy if you bear down (like when you poop)as your muscles will relax and the cup will be pushed out slightly. It depends on your preference but I went for the cups with a stem or ball so that it would be easier for me to grip the cup during removal.

When you insert the cup in, it should be sitting slightly away from your cervix and not next to it like a tampon would or around it like a Softcup would. So, the stem of your cup should still be outside of you.

So, if you relax and bear down while tugging on the stem, the cup should slip down further enough for you to grip the bottom and pinch it to break the seal. From there you can either rock it from side to side and slowly remove the cup from one side or, my preferred method, pinch the bottom of the cup and using your pointer and middle finger, fold the sides of the cup together to make it smaller and then removing it.

It's inevitable that some blood will spill out, especially if the cup is full, but with practice, it'll become easier and you'll find your own method that you are comfortable with.

Just remember NOT to pull the cup straight out! I did that on my very first time removing the cup and the pain and shock still haunts me.
rainstormj on June 24th, 2015 05:01 am (UTC)
But will the stem be outside of me if my cervix is high? Don't cups ride up?
Thanks for the tips!
Saruwatari Aiko - love seems to hate mestephynee_c on June 24th, 2015 05:29 am (UTC)
Even if it does ride high, you can still remove it by bearing down and using your thumb and pointer to grab the stem and tug it out. Always remain relaxed when you are trying to remove the cup and if you can't remove it, don't panic. Just take a few deep breaths and try again.

I think that because you have a high cervix, you'd suit a tall cup better, since, even if it rides high, you should still be able to feel the stem with one finger.

Even mine sometimes slides inside but by bearing down, I can grip the stem and proceed to remove it.

Oh yes, I forgot to mention earlier that I remove my cup sitting on the toilet, so after removal, I just tip the blood out and rinse my cup at the sink.
rainstormj on June 24th, 2015 05:40 am (UTC)
Ok, that makes sense! How high is your cervix?
Do you think the lunette model 1 would be long enough or should I go for the lily?
Saruwatari Aiko - love seems to hate mestephynee_c on June 24th, 2015 06:02 am (UTC)
I think that I have a low cervix as I can kinda touch it when I insert my finger inside.

I think that the Lily makes more sense. It's a lot smoother, longer, has no rim and it holds slightly more than the Lunette. I saw a review that showed that the Lily has a different folding method and I think that since you're a virgin, the Lily would be easier for you to insert and remove.

All the best and just remember to relax. If it's hard to get the cup in or remove, just stop, breathe and then try again.
m03m on June 24th, 2015 11:20 am (UTC)
If you can kinda touch it when you reach your finger inside as far as it will go, you don't have a low cervix; that's high or medium height.
Low is if you stick your finger halfway in, or less, and your cervix is right there.
Saruwatari Aiko - love seems to hate mestephynee_c on June 24th, 2015 02:44 pm (UTC)
Oo!!! I didn't know that! I had thought that as long as you can touch your cervix, it's low.

Thanks for clearing that up for me. Now it makes sense why my XL Meluna sometimes rides high.
m03m on June 24th, 2015 02:58 pm (UTC)
You're welcome!
Sharing knowledge enriches us all. :-)
Sayga: cat-artemis runningsayga on June 24th, 2015 09:40 pm (UTC)
You don't want anything hanging out of you once everything is in place. But if you have a high cervix, leave the stem of the cup untrimmed (if you get a cup with a stem). Insert the cup and get it situated. If part of the stem is hanging out, you will want to remove the cup, and trim the stem with a pair of scissors. If the stem is just inside the vaginal opening and you can't feel it, then you're all good.

When you're ready to remove the cup, squat/bear down and the stem will be near enough the opening that you can grip it with your finger and thumb without having to insert 2 fingers inside you at once. If your cup is lower, or you've trimmed down the stem, insert one finger and press sideways against the base of the cup to break the seal, then bear down and pinch the base of the cup. When you pull it out, you want to pull one side out before the other so it eases out. I like to do it over the toilet so I can pull it out and dump it right in. Then I wipe (still holding the cup in the other hand) because I get strings of blood from my vagina to the toilet, and then stand, rinse the cup in the sink, shake most of the water off, then sit back on the toilet and reinsert. If I'm at work, I just dump the contents, wipe myself, and reinsert without rinsing. Occasionally I'll wipe the cup with a piece of toilet paper before reinserting.

The first few times you try it, wear a pad in case you don't have it in right and you leak. When I first started using the cup, I missed my cervix as often as I got the cup in correctly. You might want to try at home and wear other protection to work or out of the house, just to get the learning curve. I've been using the cup 6 years now and I hardly thing twice about it. Every now and then the cup doesn't pop open inside and I have to wiggle and rotate it a bit, but I don't put the cup in crooked anymore, or have any problems inserting or removing. You'll get the hang of it!
rainstormj on June 25th, 2015 03:32 am (UTC)
Thanks for the ideas, that sounds less intimidating than what I was imagining! (:
I'm just worried that I'm passing my cervix. This last time I tried to find it, it was sort of painful and I couldn't stick my finger in as far as before without sort of bumping into something that made it more painful? But I didn't feel a donut haha. If that makes any sense at all. I am on a heavy day of my period though.
It just seems like I feel a lot of bumpyness and tissue everywhere, not just vaginal walls, or something or maybe I'm imagining it. Everyone makes it seem so easy, "just stick your finger in and find your cervix" but anatomy just seems more complicated than that...and feels more complicated.

Edited at 2015-06-25 03:32 am (UTC)
v_veronika: gone weirv_veronika on June 24th, 2015 07:39 am (UTC)
I recommend you try looking for your cervix (heh, that sounds so silly) while sitting on the toilet. I can't do anything standing up. Feeling my cervix, inserting the cup, removing the cup - can't manage any of it if I'm standing up. But sitting down? Easy peasy. Or you can start by squatting (in the tub) if you're afraid of dropping the cup in the toilet. I actually did that once and had to replace it, so squatting might be safer in the beginning, 'till you get the hang of it.

Oh, and I use two fingers, thumb and pointer finger.
rainstormj on June 25th, 2015 03:26 am (UTC)
It just feels easier for me to stand, but maybe once I try with a cup I'll find it easier to sit!
lalala331 on August 21st, 2015 03:46 pm (UTC)
Lol! Same here. I can only manage inserting/removing the cup seated on the toilet.
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jennisezjennisez on June 24th, 2015 11:15 pm (UTC)
Hi! Don't know if you've already seen this, but Bree from Precious Stars Pads made a very helpful video about removing a menstrual cup: https://youtu.be/LljkmNl8qdc

To remove mine I sit on the toilet, grab the stem with my left hand and bear down while rocking the stem out. Once I can reach the base of the cup with my right hand - while still holding the stem with my left - I pinch the base with my thumb and middle finger and walk it down some more. As I walk the cup down, I work my thumb higher up the front of the cup and slide my index and middle fingers around the back of the cup to cradle it. Then I fold the cup into a U-shape, which breaks the seal nicely, and walk the cup the rest of the way out. Then I just tip the contents of the cup into the toilet. (You might want to hook a finger or two into the rim so you don't drop the cup into the toilet.) I hope that makes sense - it's basically the method in Bree's video above.

I appear to have a high cervix, too. Haven't been able to find it so far, but I'm going to keep trying. I have a Lunette model 1 and I like it for my light days. I tend to need something larger on my heavier days. I haven't tried the Lily cup myself, but it is longer than the Lunette, if you want something with more length. Here are some comparison charts that might be helpful: https://menstrualcups.wordpress.com/2010/08/19/cup-size-comparison-charts/

Hope that helps! :)
rainstormj on June 25th, 2015 03:34 am (UTC)
I think I have but I'll check it out again, thanks for the detail!
Weird question...when you try to find your cervix does it sometimes feel tissuey and you wonder if you have passed your cervix? If that makes any sense? Or does it always just feel like smooth vaginal walls?
jennisezjennisez on June 26th, 2015 11:47 pm (UTC)
My insides just feel soft and fleshy to me. I'm told that the cervix feels like a hard, nose-like bump. I've never felt that, even on heavier days when my cervix is likely lower than usual. I've tried standing, sitting, feeling to the right and left and up and down. I can't seem to find the darn thing. :D
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