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jennisez
07 April 2015 @ 05:42 pm
Hello, everyone. This is my first post, but I have been reading through lots of previous posts here. Thank you to all of you for sharing your experiences and knowledge. This community is very helpful.

I need some advice. I have tried three different menstrual cups and none of them have worked out for me so far.

Some background: I’m 37 and appear to have a high cervix. I have never given birth and I am physically active (running, spinning, weight training, yoga), so my pelvic muscles are probably fairly strong. I’ve been using tampons with few complaints for about 25 years but am interested in cups for all of their health and environmental benefits.

About three years ago, I tried the Diva cup model 2 (the larger size) as recommended for my age. Insertion was difficult for me and removal was even more challenging. Once it was in, I could wear it fine, but getting it in and out was a messy, time-consuming ordeal. After only a couple of days I gave up and put cups out of my mind.

A few months ago, I thought about trying a cup again. After doing lots of research online, I settled on the small Si-Bell, thinking that maybe a smaller, softer cup would work better. The Si-Bell is a lovely cup – insertion and removal are easy and it is very comfortable to wear. But it leaks when I use it. As far as I could tell it was open properly, but I wonder if maybe my pelvic muscles were collapsing the cup or I just wasn’t doing it right.

So next cycle I tried the small Lunette. It is similar to the Si-Bell but firmer, which I thought might help. Again, it is a lovely cup. No major problems inserting it and removal is easy, but it leaks, too. I think that it is popping open fine. After it’s in, I run my finger between the cup and my vaginal walls, feeling for irregularities, and the cup feels round and open. (Don’t know if this matters, but I position it so that the stem is just inside my body.) When I remove the cup, there is blood inside but it isn’t full. I think I have a high cervix - when I’ve gone looking for it at various points in my cycle I’ve never been able to find the hard, nose-like bump everyone talks about. So I don’t think my cervix is dangling into the cup and I don’t feel it hanging over the rim. And I seem to be getting a seal because during removal I can feel/hear it releasing.

Am I doing something wrong? Are my Si-Bell and Lunette cups just too small for me? Or too soft? I’m sure I need more practice, but should it be this difficult?

I am thinking about trying the Lunette model 2, the larger size which is also supposed to be firmer. Although my flow isn’t especially heavy, I wouldn’t mind having a higher capacity cup for overnight anyway. I am also considering a Yuuki classic for sports since it’s such a firm cup, although I worry about the ease of insertion and removal. Both have long stems, though, which I like.

What do you all think? I’ve already spent around $100 on cups and still haven’t found the right one. I don’t want to throw good money after bad. And I don’t have the time or the patience to fiddle with a cup all day. I would love to find a hassle-free cup or two that work for me.

Any advice is appreciated. Thanks!
 
starsandmoons89starsandmoons89 on April 8th, 2015 03:08 am (UTC)
If you have a really high cervix you will probably need to push the cup higher. The cup needs to be close to your cervix... Ignore the cup companies saying it should sit just inside your vaginal canal. False!

Have you considered a MeLuna? They have a very wide range of cups, so you will be able to choose whether you want a large capacity cup, a small, firm, soft, colour and stem style, they even have ring style stems, so if you were worried about pushing your cup too high into your vagina you could thread a string threw the ring until you figure out how high your cup should be, with out having to worry about having any trouble getting it out
jennisezjennisez on April 8th, 2015 02:26 pm (UTC)
Thanks, starsandmoons! I did consider the MeLuna before I ordered the Lunette. I like that you can customize with the MeLuna, and they do have a stem option. I find the longer stems reassuring and they really help me with removal. I can hold the stem with one hand while coaxing out the base with the other. Ultimately, I went with the Lunette because it was longer in total length and I had heard great things about it. The Meluna may be something to think about, though, if I need a new cup.

I'll try some different placement positions to see if that helps. Nudging the cup a bit higher, or letting it open about halfway in and then pushing it up. Going higher makes me nervous, but I can try a little at a time to see if that makes a difference.





emilyztaylor on August 5th, 2015 12:47 pm (UTC)
How high is too high? I also have a high cervix I believe, but I still want to be able to grab the cup.
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jennisezjennisez on April 8th, 2015 02:43 pm (UTC)
Hi, friend! Thanks for your comment. Yes, I used each for one cycle so far, and I've heard that it can take a few cycles to get the hang of all of this. I'm going to keep trying with my Lunette and Si-Bell because they are such nice cups and I would like to make them work. My light days are pretty light, so I figured I could practice with them some more then. Leaking on heavier days is really frustrating, but the the pressure should be off a little bit on my lighter days. They may be better suited for light days anyway.
jennisezjennisez on April 8th, 2015 11:03 pm (UTC)
Hey, pandemon_ium, I accidentally deleted your second comment! I was trying to delete the message from my inbox and clicked the wrong thing. Sorry about that! Apparently there is a learning curve with using LiveJournal, too! :D

I saw, though, that you said something to the effect that it's good to practice on light days, but to be aware that lighter days may mean less leaking anyway. I will keep that in mind. Thanks for the advice!

Edited to add:
I got an email notification of your comment, too. Here is the original reply: "Definitely start with the light days--but also be aware that you may not leak as much on light days, either. But, definitely, one step at a time!"

So sorry about deleting it!


Edited at 2015-04-09 12:35 am (UTC)
trejoytrejoy on April 8th, 2015 08:36 am (UTC)
My guess, since it sounds like the lg Diva didn't leak, your current cups may just be too small. Not that age is a deciding factor, but I began using cups at 36 yrs and the small sizes always leaked.

Btw, you can recoup some of the expenditures by reselling on http://mc-sales.livejournal.com

Edited at 2015-04-08 08:37 am (UTC)
jennisezjennisez on April 8th, 2015 02:53 pm (UTC)
Thanks, trejoy! I don't remember my Diva cup leaking, so I am wondering, too, if the small cups are just too small for me. I was looking at the larger Lunette model 2 to see if it might be a better fit. Since it's firmer than the small, I wonder if maybe it would be good for sports, too. I thought it was interesting that Lunette recommends the smaller, softer model 1 for sports, as I would have thought that firmer cups would be better for physical activities?
Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on April 8th, 2015 12:26 pm (UTC)
Do you still have your Diva? Now that you have more experience, you might find it easier to use. But before you do, try enlarging the anti-suction holes around the rim. They help with popping open and with removal -- both of which you seem to have had trouble with. More helpful hints at http://kuradi8.livejournal.com/
jennisezjennisez on April 8th, 2015 02:55 pm (UTC)
Hi, kuradi! Thanks for all of the tips. I don't have my Diva cup anymore. I kinda wish I had hung on to it now, but I got rid of it when we moved.
Kathlynekathlyne on April 8th, 2015 03:21 pm (UTC)
When is the cup leaking? Right away? After a few hours?
jennisezjennisez on April 8th, 2015 11:24 pm (UTC)
It usually starts pretty soon after inserting, although a couple of times I've gone an hour or two before it starts noticeably leaking. I check as best as I can to make sure the cup is open, but I'm sure my technique could use some finesse.

I'm actually having success with my Lunette right now and it's been about 4 1/2 hours since I put it in. It took some fiddling around, but I must have finally done something right. No major leaks, maybe just a bit of residual slobber. Today is a lighter day, too, so maybe that has something to do with it.
jennisezjennisez on April 9th, 2015 12:16 am (UTC)
So I'm giving my small Lunette another go and I am having success with it at the moment. It's been over five hours now and no real leaks, just some residual stuff, I think. Today is a lighter day, too, so that may be a factor.

I had to mess around with it some, though. When I first inserted it, I felt around the sides and all seemed okay. Then I nudged the base up while doing some Kegels to give the cup a boost to see if positioning it a bit higher would help. Almost right away, I got leaks. So, I pushed the base of the cup out a bit and felt again.

Then I remembered reading somewhere on this forum that a member had managed to spin the cup by pinching the base and then twisting. I gave that a try. When I pinched the base, I heard a hiss as the seal released a bit, and then I gave the cup a few spins until it had gone all the way around. Then I nudged and Kegeled it back up. Don't know if the spinning did the trick, but it was something I hadn't done before. I know spinning isn't necessary, but I figured it couldn't hurt to try. And pinching the base may have helped get some air into the cup, too.

Maybe I just got lucky this time, but I hope I can duplicate this success! I'm still thinking about getting a large Lunette for the extra capacity on heavier days, but it would be nice to be able to use my small cups for lighter days! I'm going to play some more with my Si-Bell, too, because I think if I can master that cup I will really like it, too. I'm keeping my fingers crossed!

Thanks for all of the tips, everyone!
jennisezjennisez on August 11th, 2015 11:06 pm (UTC)
Update
Hi, all! I’ve wanted to update this post for a while now, but I figured I’d wait a few cycles and see how things go. I think I’m finally getting the hang of this cup thing.

So I thought maybe I needed a firmer cup and couldn’t decide between a large Lunette and a large Yuuki classic so I bought both. Lately the Yuuki has been my go-to on heavier days. The Yuuki classic is a very firm cup, and it pops open very easily and creates a great seal. I was worried that its firmness might make it difficult to insert and/or remove, but I found both to be easy. I’m so glad that I saw Bree’s video describing how to fold the cup into a U-shape as you remove it – it’s so much more effective than just pinching the base. So far, the Yuuki is comfortable for me and it is very reliable and leak-free, even when I’m running. I’ve just been sticking with the Yuuki because I know it works, but now that my technique is better, I should experiment more with my Lunette, too, because it seems like a great cup as well.

A few things I’ve started doing are helping, too, I think. To combat residual stuff, I swipe my finger along my vaginal walls to clear away anything there. (This also gives me a chance to feel around for my cervix, which I think I might have finally found last month. I had my middle finger almost all the way in when I felt a fleshy, teardrop-shaped thing hiding up there.) Then I lubricate the rim of the cup with a bit of coconut oil and insert it, usually using the C-fold. Once I feel that the rim of the cup is past my pubic bone and is about ¾ of the way in, I let it pop open. Then I insert my finger along the side of the cup and the back wall of my vagina. Once I find the rim, I push it in to let air into the cup. I also feel around to make sure the cup is round and open. Another member here suggested pinching the base of the cup while bearing down to bring the cervix closer to the cup to create a better seal between the cup and the cervix, so I do that, too. Then I nudge the base of the cup up and back to get it positioned all the way inside.

I bought some cloth liners as backup, but I haven’t really needed them the last couple of cycles.

And I like my small cups for lighter days.

It’s funny, isn’t it? I started out thinking that I needed the smallest, softest cup I could find and ended up liking one of the largest, firmest cups in existence.