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Hey everyone. A little while ago, I asked for advice about trying a new cup, and I got some good responses that I really appreciated.

I have a more specific question now, though, that I was hoping to get some input on. I'm using the Diva Cup (model 1), and I know that the Diva has a longer body than a lot of cups. The Diva seems to be a very good length for me. I have a somewhat high cervix, and I'm able to fit the entire cup inside me without much trouble. After I use the cup for several hours, I usually find that it's worked its way up far enough that I have to bear down in order to be able to reach the stem or the bottom of the cup well.

I know that a lot of cups, like the Lunette and Sckoon, have shorter bodies but longer stems than the Diva. As such, the overall length is pretty similar. I'm interested in trying another cup, but since most cups are shorter than the Diva, I'm wondering if having to rely more on the stem would make much difference when it comes to removal. I have a little bit of trouble gripping the Diva stem sometimes, but the Diva stem is very short, so I don't know how a longer stem would compare. I generally find the Diva easier to remove once I can grip the bottom, and I don't know if I would be able to do that easily with a shorter cup. But I also know that the Diva suction release holes are notoriously small (I haven't enlarged them), so that could also be a factor.

Does anyone have experience using both longer and shorter cups? If you're not able to easily reach the bottom of your cup, is the stem sufficient to pull it down?

Thanks for the input!
 
yayforcupsyayforcups on February 6th, 2015 10:32 am (UTC)
Heya!

In my cups I have a small sckoon (short), mcuk B (bit firmer and longer), medium LUB (long), also large sckoon and Victoria's Love cup, soon to get a small lily cup.

I started with the small sckoon which is lovely and has never hurt me, only with my high cervix it migrated and grabbing stem was hard to do. The stem hides itself in me and is such a soft silicone that its almost completely broken in 3 places due to grabbing and nails. It would be a wonderful choice for all but the high cervixed.

MCUK's stem is long, and is less delicate so I dont have a problem grabbing that, only the low capacity and incredible suction make it difficult as i cant reach the rim with my finger, and being a firmer cup is difficult to fold on removal.

I havent had kids (Im 28 so thought I may be flexible enough) but went for a couple of larges anyway for my heavy flow. LUB Medium is perfect for my high cervix. Tho I imagine it's not a one size fits all- but it is my goldilocks.
That's when I saw length in body IS important.

VL cup not worth it. Such a shame. Pathetic capacity- cervix filled it. Too soft so crushes easily, hard to get into place as body is so short and stem is so long. Irritating valve. Nope.

Large sckoon good, body is 5cm instead of the smalls 4cm, still lovely non painful and firm yet squishy, stem is not as fragile (i think due to being 1cm shorter) so far so good, only I get residual/minor leaks and I wear my LUB more.

Awaiting small lily, hopefully it'll replace my small sckoon and mcuk, it looks all body and soft. Ill see soon enough if thats the correct combo for me :) I hope this helps and u can find whats right for you. Sorry this comment is so long eek!!
..::bella vita::..por_que_no on February 6th, 2015 03:00 pm (UTC)
I actually prefer the short body + long stem combination because my pubic bone sits really high (at least in my perception...there's a lot of space between entrance and the bone). So the Si-Bell is my goldilocks, but I do worry about the stem breaking, because that happened on my Small when I stupidly applied some petrolatum-based ointment while on my period. For that reason, when my cervix is a little lower, I wear my Rainbow a lot more often--it's a solid, round stem with grip rings, but total length is only 70cm. I can dig my nails in freely and not worry about breaking the stem. I also have an iCare, which is the same body length as the Diva, and that one is a snap to remove because I just pull a little on the tab stem and the base comes down easily. (The body is a little longer than I would really need, but for those in-between spotting days when my cervix is super high, I don't have much in the way of options.) I have never been able to reach the base of any cup by itself just because of where my pubic bone sits, so I always, always, always need a stem.
yayforcupsyayforcups on February 6th, 2015 05:22 pm (UTC)
I think I remember you (por_que_no) had a lily cup and sold it?
How was that for a high cervix? What did/didn't you like? Sorry if you've already reviewed it in the past, maybe you could point me in the direction of your review? Thanks :)

Edited at 2015-02-06 05:24 pm (UTC)
..::bella vita::..por_que_no on February 6th, 2015 10:46 pm (UTC)
Yes, I liked the length but what happened was my cervix started to dangle at the end of my period and apparently it's EXACTLY the same diameter as the inner rim, so the lily was almost choking my cervix. The odds of that are like one in a million. Also, my cervix is WAY off to the left so the bottom of the stem was poking on the right side of my vaginal wall. If your cervix is dead center though and narrower than mine you should be good!
yayforcupsyayforcups on February 6th, 2015 11:41 pm (UTC)
Eek! Sorry. I hope it'll be a good fit, I've suspected a slight dangle in my cervix due to filling my cups too low and I am off to the side but I figured that as the body is long it might sit better like the LUB... We will see. Thanks for your help :)
Jennifer Monoteasy2begreen on February 6th, 2015 04:52 pm (UTC)
The Diva is a good length for me, too, but I have no problem using shorter bodied cups with longer stems. I actually have one of the shortest cups for spotting or light days -- the Meluna mini small with a stick stem. I have to bear down to reach the stem and have noticed some small cracks along the stem because I have to tug on it before I can reach the base of the cup for removal. Maybe go for a cup with a fairly sturdy, long stem with decent grips? I'm pretty happy with my small Rainbow Cup, which has a long, solid, cylindrical stem.
elisamba on February 6th, 2015 10:17 pm (UTC)
I find the length a very important factor for comfortable removal, whether that's with the base of the cup or the tip of the stem right at the vaginal entrance. "Spelunking" makes me sore.

I think it also partly depends on flow. On heavy days the flow cancels out a lot of the suction (think water getting behind a suction thing in a bathroom). On the other hand, last week I had an unpleasant experience with my otherwise favourite cup (Gaia) because I was only spotting and it took several tries to get air into it and collapse it for removal.

On light days, my small Organicup's soft enough that the suction is not major, one good push while pulling the stem and it's out. Yet I haven't had problems with it leaking. The stem is the perfect length and never hard to find. It's not stretchy and it has good grips.

I personally do not recommend stretchy stems short or long, and don't understand the reasoning behind them. They have only ever given me some unwelcome "rubber band" moments.

Also short stems tend to hurt my pubic bone. It is a fairly different technique removing a stemless cup, and even a small stem just gets in the way.

So I guess my answer is "one of each". Probably not too helpful to you :)