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13 November 2014 @ 11:13 am
I didn't know where else to post this, because I'm actually a little shocked at the discovery.

I had essure placed about 10 years ago, which is permanent sterilization. For the last few years I've been really irritated to have to still deal with my cycle, it serves no purpose. And it's a real pain in the ass. I decided I wanted ablation as well, which is to cauterize the uterine lining to reduce how much it develops each month.

Insurance will only cover ablation if it is medically necessary, which is generally for menorrhagia (heavy flow). So on my last cycle I kept track of what cup I was using and how full it was each time I cleared it.

I feel so vindicated. I always felt like my cycle was a bit heavy, interrupting my social life and causing clothing and bedding issues, even with the largest volume cups I could comfortably wear... but I had no idea I was so far out of the realm of "normal".

Turns out normal is 30mL to 80mL per cycle. I rocked in at 185mL.

No guessing how much was in each sanitary napkin or tampon, I MEASURED damn it.

I've been using cups for years, but never thought to do this before. I'm going to do it again this month to compare.
The Slightly Silly Candidateakashasheiress on November 13th, 2014 08:41 pm (UTC)
That's awesome! Hope you get the help you need, now.
chamiletchamilet on November 13th, 2014 09:09 pm (UTC)
How do you measure? Do you just call one full and dump it out and write it down or do you actually pull it towards you to look at it and see exactly how much is in there? Because that would be so messy!
titaniumtrinitytitaniumtrinity on November 13th, 2014 09:25 pm (UTC)
It doesn't sound so messy, it would be kind of a rough estimate depending on how many lines the cup has, but I can imagine doing that.
chamiletchamilet on November 13th, 2014 09:46 pm (UTC)
Oh, whenever I take out my cup it's a bloodbath! Maybe I'm doing it wrong...
titaniumtrinitytitaniumtrinity on November 13th, 2014 10:56 pm (UTC)
Maybe I'm underestimating how difficult it would be!
sorceress_jade on November 18th, 2014 02:06 am (UTC)
Yeah, I just put a description of where on the cup it looked full to. I use a Skoon the first day, and the little flower design is a helpful visual queu, but I use various MeLunas the rest of the days and they're pretty much unadorned.

Edit: Well heck, talking about what cups I use on what days made me go back and look at my notes. The Skoon supposedly holds 3mL more than the biggest MeLuna I use. I can use those extra 3mL maybe I've been doing this wrong. :)

Edited at 2014-11-18 02:09 am (UTC)
sorceress_jade on November 14th, 2014 01:04 am (UTC)
I am careful when I remove the cup to do it without spilling the contents already, since this makes cleaning ME up a lot easier. I look at how full the cup is and note it in my phone after I'm done washing up.

In cases where there was overspill I noted it, but since I couldn't judge how much I didn't try to measure or estimate that.

Later, I got all my cups out, and a measuring cup, and just followed my notes using water to get the final measurements. I actually did it by day, and then totaled.
chamiletchamilet on November 14th, 2014 04:59 pm (UTC)
Hmmm. Mine always comes out tilted (to get it out of my body)and messy on the outside (usually already is before I pull it out so I guess I'm just weird). It would drip all over the place if I didn't immediately dump it in the toilet.
sorceress_jade on November 18th, 2014 01:47 am (UTC)
I don't think that's weird at all. I've spent time developing a way to make it not spill. And it could be easier for me due to anatomy, but I think what you experience is pretty normal.
..::bella vita::..por_que_no on November 13th, 2014 09:41 pm (UTC)
Glad you're closer to getting the help you've needed! Out of curiosity, where'd you get the 30-80ml figure? I may need to reference that...I am at least at the high end of that if not slightly more. Hard to tell because sometimes flow just backs up if I have a particularly good seal and once I break the seal I'll just start bleeding out even before I've had a chance to remove the cup (and then I don't get an accurate measurement)
sorceress_jade on November 14th, 2014 01:06 am (UTC)
I googled it, a couple of different ways. That range was on a number of different websites. Could be it was sourced from one and everyone copied them.

But when I expressed the number to the gyno I went in to see, and this was before I looked up what was normal, she definitely looked surprised. And agreed with me that it was a lot to deal with.

I figured I have the same issue you describe, and then some leakage on some days too. I didn't count that. I just went with what I could measure so I couldn't be accused of over-estimating.

What was odd was my cycle was a day short last month. So I'm pretty interested in comparing this month.
..::bella vita::..por_que_no on November 15th, 2014 11:02 pm (UTC)
Interesting...I always just thought that once I started with the cups it appeared I was bleeding more because I was bleeding faster...no tampons to block/impede the flow or anything. My periods also ended up a day or two shorter as a result. Last spring I did notice that I had to empty more often though, so when half the stem snapped off my Si-Bell I went ahead and upgraded to the Large. I'm not sure how much more capacity I'm getting out of it since my pc muscles crush the base a little bit, but so far I've only had a couple recent issues with overfilling it at inopportune times.
sorceress_jade on November 18th, 2014 01:49 am (UTC)
I have problems every cycle. Today has been a disaster, my washing machine has been at it all day. :/

I do think there's something to the suction of the cup though, changing how things go, cause I feel like the ... cadence? ... of things changed a bit when I switched to cups.
elisamba on November 14th, 2014 07:46 am (UTC)
I'm glad you discovered a potential issue, but I just wanted to contribute to the idea that "the cycle serves no purpose" if you're permanently avoiding pregnancy.

The shedding of the uterine lining "resets" hormonal balances in the body several times a year (I avoid saying "monthly" because that is not true for everyone), and those hormones majorly affect mood, energy, and weight, amongst other things. In promoting health, the cycle serves many purposes other than conception.
sorceress_jade on November 18th, 2014 01:52 am (UTC)
I have no issue with the cycle itself, nor with ovulation, it's the shedding part I have a beef with.

With both Ablation and Merina there's no change in ovulation. These are the two methods I'm considering. So I won't lose all of the hormonal changes, just some related to the growth and shedding of the uterine lining.
bellababies2 on November 14th, 2014 04:08 pm (UTC)
Essure and heavy periods
Wow when I saw that you have had essure for 10 years my first thought was were you in any clinical trial? Also have you joined the closed Facebook group called essure problems!? Essure causes heavy clotty periods. Not sure if you are aware of that. I also had essure and my periods were awful! Heavy and clotty. Some women with essure pass massive clots. Anyway just wanted to put it out there that there is a lot of info and women in that group that can relate if you'd like to join. Good luck to you.
sorceress_jade on November 18th, 2014 01:57 am (UTC)
Re: Essure and heavy periods
I was not in the trial but was definitely an early adopter. I think the gyno I saw must have been really excited about it cause I went in inquiring about an IUD. But when I told him I've known since I was 12 that I didn't want children, he suggested Essure to me.

I was 22 at the time, with no children.

When I see the tribulations other women go through to get Essure I'm astounded it was so easy for me. He had me consider for a month, with all the info in hand, and when I came back confirmed we scheduled the procedure. It was 100% covered by my insurance at the time, which I think was an HMO.

The gyno I'm seeing now says they've learned over time to place the springs so less of them stick into the uterus, she and I suspect that he wasn't wise to that when mine were placed but we haven't been able to confirm yet.

I'd be interested in the Facebook group. I have never really thought of myself as having Essure problems, although I do get occasional twinges of pain that I attribute to it, things pulling against the scare tissue funny I assume. My cycles are heavy, but in my estimation the clotting seems normal. But hell, what do I know, I thought my cycle was just a little on the heavy side of normal. I had no idea I was so far outside the normal range.
perigrine: cupsperigrine on November 26th, 2014 06:59 am (UTC)
Re: Essure and heavy periods
I have Essure and a clip and my periods, if anything, are lighter. Sure I still get gory clots, but I've *always* had them. Period duration is less though: cups or desexing? who knows. I started using cups not long before I was desexed.
sorceress_jade on December 14th, 2014 08:46 pm (UTC)
Re: Essure and heavy periods
What is a clip?
perigrineperigrine on December 16th, 2014 12:13 am (UTC)
Re: Essure and heavy periods
Filsche clip. Essure coil is in the right side, with the clip on the left.
sorceress_jade on December 16th, 2014 05:51 am (UTC)
Re: Essure and heavy periods
Interesting, I hadn't heard of that before. Thank you.
Jennifer Monoteasy2begreen on November 15th, 2014 07:41 pm (UTC)
I can totally identify with feeling like having a reproductive system is a huge waste of resources. I've never wanted children, will never have any -- nice try, but can you cut it out already, uterus?

On an unrelated note, how do you like Essure? I was originally more interested in Adiana, but they stopped making it.
sorceress_jade on November 18th, 2014 02:02 am (UTC)
Personally I love Essure, although you might read the comment above yours as bellababies2 is telling me my heavy cycle may be related to it. If you do get Essure, I ask about having them do ablation at the same time; getting ablation afterward is turning out to be physically challenging for them to do.

I'm going to give Merina a try, which is an IUD. My new gyno is allll about it. For a significant percentage of women, periods are reduced in flow and duration, or stop all together. And if you're one of the unlucky few percent that get the opposite effect it comes right out when you want it to. It doesn't have estrogen in it, and the progesterone is localized to the uterus and shouldn't be going all over the body. I had trouble with oral birth control so I have been skeptical, but she's got me won over and I'm getting it placed mid-December.