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10 October 2014 @ 01:44 pm
Hi everyone,

This is my first post but i've been stalking this community for a while, lol. I just recently started using menstrual cups. So far i've used a small meluna and a small si-bell cup with no real issues. My main problem is that i have not been able to sleep with or even really lie down when i'm wearing my cups. The first time and only time i tried to sleep with the cup, i woke it around 3 am with a severe cramping pressure pain. I could barely walk to the bathroom, i had to crawl. The minute i took the cup out the pain was gone. I just figured the cup was too full. But since then, i can barely lie down when i have it in. I immediately start feeling pressure/cramping. when i sit up, it goes away. Has anybody experienced this before? What could be causing it?
 
Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on October 10th, 2014 09:31 pm (UTC)
I didn't have cramping pain but one of my cups would leak like it wasn't there at all whenever I'd lie down. It was OK sitting, standing, walking, but as soon as I reclined... DISASTER!

So my guess is that your cups don't fit you right, just like that one didn't fit me. Compare the ones that you have to other brands at http://sizecharts.livejournal.com/ or any of the other charts found at the Community FAQ. Only you know how much longer/shorter, wider/narrower you think you would want your next cup to be. Also consider shape. Flared rim or not? Pointy or blunt base? Etc.
Alwynsabishii_kirito on October 10th, 2014 11:09 pm (UTC)
I have a vaguely similar issue. I have a Lady Cup and a Diva Cup (both the smaller size), and if I sleep in them I get a strong pressure in my stomach that feels like gas. It inevitably wakes me up,so I stopped sleeping with them in unless I have no other choice. No idea what causes the problem, but I just switched to cloth pads for night time usage and I haven't had any issues with them.
The Potioneer: animals // horses // black spottymagic_potion on October 10th, 2014 11:45 pm (UTC)
Do you happen to be on hormonal birth control? I had that when I was on pill and using the cup. The muscles around there were so tight that the cup caused problems. I discussed this with other women and few had similar problems. They disappeared after quitting the pills.
hillsfr on October 14th, 2014 11:06 pm (UTC)
Sorry for the late reply. I had to go offline for a bit and came back to see all kinds of help waiting for me. So thanks!

Now to your question. No i'm not on any kind of pill. Though now i'd know to put that in consideration should i ever start taking the pill
..::bella vita::..por_que_no on October 11th, 2014 02:09 pm (UTC)
I wonder if the change in position is moving your cervix such that the cup "suckers on" to it and creates a vacuum inside the cup. When it pulls on your cervix from the suction, that would create cramping (at least one of my cups has done this). I still find that puzzling, though...I never get any suction out of my Si-Bells even when pulling them out for removal, because they are so soft. So I wonder if you have a wider cervix and perhaps it's getting stuck inside the cups when you lie down (like the diameter of your cervix is just below the diameter of the cups such that you're getting a very tight fit)
hillsfr on October 14th, 2014 11:04 pm (UTC)
Sorry for the late reply. I had to go offline for a bit and came back to see all kinds of help waiting for me. So thanks!

I can see how a suction would create that kind of pain. Ouch. And you're possibly right because i feel the pain the minute i lie down. I definitely do feel suction from my Si-bell cup. I have to reach in and break the suction. But i have a feeling i'm very tight in there. because my cups always stay flat even though they are vertical, i sometimes hear a pop, and i have to break suction when taking them out. Or maybe they're supposed to be like that, i don't know.
So from what i gather from your comments, i should be looking for a cup with a wider rim to avoid the suction. Which cups would you suggest that are relatively soft and easy to insert? The cups are the first things i've ever inserted, so i'm wary or bigger cups. But i'm also 27 so i should be able to put my big girl pants on and shove whatever is needed in, lol.


Luceafaraluceafara on October 11th, 2014 04:51 pm (UTC)
Seconding por_que_no's suspicion. The Sibell is so very soft, that I never get any kind of suction, but if the diameter is just right to get your cervix trapped, that could cause it.

Something like the large Ecocup (maybe even the small Ecocup) or a Rubycup may work better if that is the case, or even a large Sibell if you like the shape. I have to say that I started off with the small Meluna, and it turns out the rim was sitting right on my cervix and was hurting, so I went up by 2 milimeters in rim diameter, and have no such issues. The small Meluna mini, for instance, is a tiny bit wider at the rim, enough to make a difference for me. Also, the small Meluna soft that I started with was creating a crazy suction, now that I think of it. The mini is nowhere near that.

Edited at 2014-10-11 04:52 pm (UTC)
hillsfr on October 14th, 2014 11:11 pm (UTC)
sorry for the late reply. I had to go offline for a bit and came back to see all kinds of help waiting for me. So thanks!

Thanks for the cup suggestions, i haven't actually heard of the ecocup, so i'm about to start looking into them. I love the experience i've had with my cups so far, save for the lying down issue and the fact that they fill up within 2/3 hours. So maybe looking into a bigger cup with a wider rim is the answer.

So is suction the enemy when looking for cups?
jenn4a on October 12th, 2014 07:05 am (UTC)
I agree with por_que_no...

It's also possible that:
you're squeezing the cup while you're asleep
The shape isn't right for you sleeping cup
You might need a cup that has a seal that works for you. (By not letting too much air out)


If your cervix dangles a bit, it may shift positions in your cups. Those S melunas are very small, I consider their medium more like an average Small.
It could also be that your cervix tilts at an angle causing the cup to move to the side; if it moves enough the seal can break.

Is the si bell pain less intense? The rim is slightly wider than a S meluna.
In general do you like the meluna or sibell better?
The soft or classic meluna?
Do any of the stems poke you?


hillsfr on October 14th, 2014 10:47 pm (UTC)
sorry for the late reply. I had to go offline for a bit and came back to see all kinds of help waiting for me. So thanks! Now to your questions. I think i actually have the medium classic meluna since its the same size as the small si-bell. The Si-bell was a lot easier to pop open but i still felt equal amount of discomfort when laying down. Granted i only ever slept with the Meluna. I'm too chicken to try sleeping with a cup again. That kind of pain is not to be taken lightly.
I'd say i like the si-bell except the si-bell has a long stem i was too vary to cut which just stuck out all through and that made it uncomfortable.

I'd say i have a low cervix, the cup usually barely sits at the entrance, though it has ridden up once or twice. I'm very tight, my cups are the only things that have ever been up there, even though i'm 27. So would a bigger cup work? Can i conceivably get a model 2 cup? Since that should take care of rim issues and also the capacity issues (my cups only last an average of 2/3 hours)?
jenn4a on October 14th, 2014 11:08 pm (UTC)
When you say size 2, it really depends on which cup.
If you do have a Med. Meluna, both of your cups are around 41mm.
Size 2 Si bell is 47mm I believe, which may be too wide, if you're afraid it'll cause pain.
If you're searching for a wider cup, I would start around 43mm to 45mm max just to be sure that the cup isn't too wide.

It sounds like you either have a heavy flow or your cervix is dangling into the cup if you're getting 2-4 hours.
I can wear mine for 8 hours on super heavy days I think, it leaks though.

Btw, I have:
Medium Classic Meluna <-SOFTEST I have
S fleurcup <- middle firmness.
Size 1 Naturcup (it's their middle size. <-firmest I have. the rim is prominent but I still have trouble with it opening if I'm not careful.

I have a Highish cervix, Strong muscles I think, and a narrow vagina. I was scared when I was getting my first cup. I was thinking: What if it is too firm? or too large? It turns out mine was too short and too narrow for heavy days (med meluna was my first)

I only feel pain laying down if I have inserted a cup wrong... usually not enough air. :(


*I may edit this to add more, but I wanted to reply quickly
hillsfr on October 14th, 2014 11:14 pm (UTC)
Do you think maybe i'm just inserting my cup wrong? This is my third period with the cups. So i'm not sure i'm doing anything right.
jenn4a on October 14th, 2014 11:21 pm (UTC)
Before inserting a cup, try putting a whole finger inside, and then two if needed. This assures that your wall are ready for the cup. :)
Also pointing the cup in a certain direction can help too.


If I skip this, I do not get enough air inside, (narrow vagina problem possibly?)

Are you checking to make sure that the cup has fully opened? (and how are you checking)
Are there any other things that you've noticed?
hillsfr on October 14th, 2014 11:28 pm (UTC)
I don't insert any fingers beforehand usually.( i will try that from now on) I use the 7 fold. once i insert, i use a finger to open it up inside me. Then i jump up and around bit, lol. It usually feels really tight and squeezed up inside, but it's standing straight inside? I don't usually hear a pop or anything. I assume there is no way the cup can keep its normal cup shape while being squeezed in there. Is there any other way to check that its fully open?
jenn4a on October 14th, 2014 11:33 pm (UTC)
Hmmm, Maybe you're squeezing the air out, or there isn't enough air inside to begin with.

It shouldn't feel like much, I notice some discomfort when there isn't enough air, kind of a tight feeling, or slightly crampy. Usually the rim has suctioned itself to my cervix as well.
*btw, I usually do the punchdown fold. Most folds don't work with my cups.
Any troubles with removal?

It seem like air is the main problem, I think.
If not let me know :)



Edited at 2014-10-14 11:34 pm (UTC)
hillsfr on October 14th, 2014 11:44 pm (UTC)
So you want air to be in the cup while its in? How can you ensure that? The 7 fold doesn't look like it allows room for much air i admit.

I have no real problems with removal. I just bear down a little, since my cup is usually sitting right there, break the suction and out it comes.
hillsfr on October 14th, 2014 11:46 pm (UTC)

Which is your favorite of your cups? Looking at the measurements on here http://sizecharts.livejournal.com/ the s fleurcup is very short and pretty narrow. But it worked better for you than the m meluna?

jenn4a on October 15th, 2014 12:36 am (UTC)
It's kind of hard to say,
Fleurcup leaks less than the meluna. I haven't tried the Naturcup yet, just dry runs (very soon though!)

Meluna is the comfiest as far as stems go, I have the ring stem.
Probably not a big deal for you, the fleurcup's grip rings on the stem are irritating until the cup sits where it's supposed to. You probably won't need that much of the stem? You could also file it down too.

Both are too short and narrow for my heavy days, but that's just me. But yes, Fleurcup works better for me since it is a little firmer. :)
I wish I could compare it to the Si-Bell, but a soft cup isn't high on my list right now, I may try the Si bell Large eventually though.
here is a comparison: Fleur vs Si bell. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5FVD86temo&index=20&list=PLqsmpUSgNwNygN_4tu-fSt1yuxp-n7rBE

I think my favorite will either be the Naturcup or the Naturalmamma. *These are long cups, so I wouldn't recommend them to you.


Here is a folding video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt6L-POE-b0&list=UUCezCpCIkIYr-eLpuhhA5sQ

Try to do all the folds with each cup and see which ones you think will work for you. I cannot do all the folds with my cups. I have large hands and smallish cups. :P Don't be worried if you cannot do them all.

EDIT:
Try to get air in by putting a finger (or fingers) inside. Also repeatedly taking a finger out and then putting it back in you will eventually start pushing more air in if you need more.

Edited at 2014-10-15 12:39 am (UTC)
Luceafaraluceafara on October 15th, 2014 02:02 am (UTC)
The small naturalmamma is about the same size and shape as the small Sibell and small Fleurcup.
jenn4a on October 15th, 2014 08:20 am (UTC)
I thought that the Naturalmamma has only one size?
Diameter 44mm
Cup length 56mm
Total length 71mm

Fleurcup S I believe is
Diameter 41mm. Cup length 44mm. Total 69mm.

Hmm
Luceafaraluceafara on October 15th, 2014 10:58 am (UTC)
Hi, sorry, I am wrong and confused! I was thinking of the Mamicup! We are running out of names with all the Luna and Mama variations!!! ;)

The Mami comes officially in M and L (I call them small and large). I posted a bunch of comparison pics at the below link, and more Ecocup vs. Meluna mini vs. Ruby up if you scroll down on the page. The very first picture shows the small Fleur, small Mami and small Sibell next to each other in the left-hand corner. What appears different is that while teh Fleur's rim is a tad larger than the diameter, the Mami's diameter matches the rim width, as in, the Fleur has a silhuette, the Mami doesn't.

http://menstrual-cups.livejournal.com/3246071.html
Hope this helps.


Edited at 2014-10-15 11:00 am (UTC)
jenn4a on October 15th, 2014 11:17 am (UTC)
Lol I don't blame you ;) when I first researched the naturcup, I got confused with the Natu cup. Kinda the same with meluna, Mia cup, and mialuna. *scratches head.*

Hillsfr, definitely talk to luceafara!
She has a lot of great info, comparison photos and she is very friendly. :) she's helped me out before, and so has por_que_no and kuradi8.
luceafara will be able to help you more with lower cervix cups than I can. Plus she has a great collection. :D

Thanks for adding your cup comparisons Luceafara! :) I haven't researched many of the shorter ones.
Luceafaraluceafara on October 16th, 2014 02:05 am (UTC)
Thank you for your kind words :)
..::bella vita::..por_que_no on October 15th, 2014 11:04 pm (UTC)
Cup size is really only determined by the capacity that you need (since you're going to re-fold the cup in some way in order to get it out...unless you're Michelle Duggar and have had 20 babies lol) - so even if you still have your V-card you might decide a Large is better for your flow. The only thing I'd tend to avoid would be really stiff rims with a pronounced "flange" (like on the Keeper/MC, MCUK, Femmecup, Miacup, etc), which will probably be more ouchey to remove.
mshanai on October 12th, 2014 01:45 pm (UTC)
I don't understand the mechanism of this, but I get cramps at night with the cup as well. It's better now that I've switched from the Diva cup to a soft Yuuki, but I still get some cramping. My solution: take an ibuprofen before going to bed.

If I were feeling more experimental, I would look for a different cup to figure out what the problem is. It could be softness--the Yuuki is a bit softer than the Diva. The others are right that diameter might be a factor, too, but as the Yuuki and the Diva are almost the same size and shape, I don't have any useful data here. (I do have a hard classic Yuuki but it's difficult to remove so I never use it while menstruating. Otherwise I'd be able to weigh in on whether a harder cup might be the answer--I suspect it might be, actually, with what little in the way of a theory I have about what might be going on anatomically.)
perigrine: cupsperigrine on October 13th, 2014 03:13 am (UTC)
I also cant sleep with a cup in. When I've tried it is either a gore fest or I'm more 'aware' and just can't get to sleep. As soon as I take it out and try to sleep again I'm good.