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17 September 2014 @ 07:00 am
so, I recently bought a Lunette cup (size 2). Had some insertion issues, but got over them with a different folding technique (they list them on their website and even have a menstrual cup origami video link). The placement was nice, no pain, no leaks, just over the pubic bone. Then, after a workday, I tried to remove it. I spent 2h in the bathroom trying different methods, but finally gave up and went to sleep.

Now, I'm writing this, because during my struggles I read about similar issues on the internet, which helped me not lose hope. And there's a happy ending. This morning I took a muscle relaxant (don't know if it helped any), and pushed my index and middle finger alongside the cup. What seemed to work best was starting while lying down during insertion and then coming up to a sitting position to make myself shorter (this all took place in the bathtub) and just having the fingers in there as far as I could reach and pressing on the cup until I could break the seal to end all seals. After that I could slide the blasted thing out.

Stuff that didn't work, and considering the force it took to break the seal, couldn't work:

Pulling on the stem and trying to move the cup back and forth;

Grabbing the bottom of the cup and pinching and pulling (first of all, I couldn't get a hold of the cup bottom, it's tight in there, okay; secondly, just trying to do it with this cup outside of the body didn't change the shape of the upper part enough to have any effect on the seal; thirdly, without breaking the seal it would be impossible to generate enough force in that awkward hand position to move the cup);

Bearing down (was completely useless, the only useful thing to do is try to find a position where you're shorter, if you're having as much problems as I was that thing is stuck to your vaginal wall like a baby octopus and it's not coming lower unless the actual wall is coming lower).

All in all, not feeling terribly empowered or enthusiastic about menstrual cups, but I hope this helps someone.
jenn4a on September 17th, 2014 07:29 am (UTC)
This will most likely get easier with experience; I was watching a YouTube video of a lunette user saying that she started getting stronger pelvic floor muscles when using a cup.

If bearing down doesn't help you get a cup out, you may want to try kegels?
I by no means am trying to be rude, but stronger muscles will help bear down a cup. :)

Have you tried a smaller size?
* I don't have any experience with larger cups, but that could be why it feels tight up there? Or maybe you weren't relaxed enough ?

I can move both my cups up and down while wearing them, but I have:
Fleurcup S
Medium classic Meluna.
Both have a diameter of 41mm which is fairly narrow.

I'm almost 21, no kids, and my cervix height is around 8cm up. 3.25 inches or more.
*my finger measures between 3.25-3.5 depending on wear I measure from, and I usually cannot reach my cervix*
Since both of my cups are short, I have to bear down to get the stem within reach.
Once I can grab the stem, I simply hold on to it while I bear down more until I can grab the base. Sometimes I have to hold the stem with one hand and then pinch the base with the other. * I hold the stem when it's out of the entrance *
I gently rock the cup side to side while bearing down, and I can easily get it out from that point.

Maybe this info can help?
..::bella vita::..por_que_no on September 17th, 2014 02:28 pm (UTC)
You might want to enlarge the suction holes - kuradi8 has talked about how to do this. The tiny suction holes are almost always a problem with the Diva, not sure about the Lunette since I've never used either one.
Kathlynekathlyne on September 17th, 2014 02:42 pm (UTC)
The holes on the Lunette are decent sized, unlike the Diva.
Kathlynekathlyne on September 17th, 2014 02:54 pm (UTC)
This will get easier with practice. The fact that you can reach the cup is half the battle.

Don't just pull. That doesn't help to release the seal. Try pinching the cup as high up as you can (or pressing on the side with your finger) and wait a second or two. The seal doesn't always release instantaneously. Or, instead of pulling on the stem back and forth just try pulling it to one side to break the seal.

And FYI -- squatting is another way to shorten your vaginal canal and make the cup easier to reach.

Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on September 17th, 2014 02:59 pm (UTC)
Hang in there, it's worth it. It won't be long before removing and reinserting won't add more than a minute to your usual bathroom routine.

As you already discovered, you need to break the seal so you don't create suction. Insert your finger along the soft back side of your vag to create an air channel. The idea is to get air above/into your cup. Then wiggle it down. You might have to do that more than once. Pinching the base also helps to "propel" the cup lower for removal, especially as a last step.
siobhannesiobhanne on September 17th, 2014 05:18 pm (UTC)
My hands are very small, like 10 yo girl small, so I can't actually reach with my index or middle finger high enough to create an air pocket. I needed to push down near the rim to break the seal. I also couldn't produce enough force with either finger alone (this was my main approach during the first 2h), which is why I eventually went for using both of them. I felt with my fingers how much force was needed to finally break the seal, the idea that I could do anything approaching useful with my vaginal muscles seems to me completely ridiculous. I'm also convinced my placement of the cup was as it should be, which means that probably I would always need to use two fingers fully inserted and pressing down forcefully to remove the cup, which to me is completely unacceptable. I'm not really willing to argue that other methods could work, because I was the one knuckle deep in my vagina for 3h trying every method suggested. So I think I will try with a softer maybe a bit longer cup (I'm liking lily cup maybe) sometime once I've forgotten the trauma, because I did like the experience otherwise, but I don't think 3h is a time you improve on. It's important to know when to quit. I just bought this cup in the pharmacy because I wanted to try out the concept and I had no idea it could attach itself so firmly. Btw, sorry for replying to you, but addressing the other responses as well. Take what you feel is applicable.
..::bella vita::..por_que_no on September 17th, 2014 06:02 pm (UTC)
sent you a msg! :)