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Kumara
It's me again. You may or may not remember me from the post regarding my awful first try with a cup, dry run, and getting it stuck inside me for several days.

Well, it's been a couple of months, and I've finally gotten up the courage to try again, this time while beginning my period. I tried inserting it while taking a shower and had significantly less trouble getting it in this time. I was able to insert it on the third try, and with a lot of finagling, got it to pop open. As a plus, it apparently is a regular occurrence that it stimulates my G-spot. But either it was too low, or the stem is too long, because I could feel the stem part on the outside. I figured after I get used to it, I'll probably cut the stem shorter.

Anyway, after my nightly shower, I went to bed with it in. Woke up early morning in pain, bad enough that I couldn't get back to sleep. The pain also gave me a tension headache. It wasn't exactly the same as the cramping pain I get after I first insert it or when I'm on my heavy days... It wasn't a coming-and-going but a constant ache, no matter what I did or what position I took. And instead of feeling it in my uterus/abdomen area, it almost seemed like it was my entire pelvic area, deeper inside me, and also in my rectum and flank. The pain kind of felt like pulled muscles, I think?

Eventually, I gave up trying to ignore it and went to the bathroom to remove it. I easily took it out and saw it had done its job perfectly; there was a small amount of blood in the cup, and none had escaped to the outside. Thank GOD, almost immediately after I took it out, the terrible ache went away. It felt so good to have it out and be back on pads; I was able to go back to sleep easily.

Now I'm afraid to put it back in. That pain is just unbearable to have going constantly. But I also don't want to give up on menstrual cups! I spent a lot of money on getting two of them and the diva wash, and it's so nice and clean if it would work right...

Is there anything that can be done to keep this from happening again?
 
trejoytrejoy on September 15th, 2014 06:47 pm (UTC)
It sounds like the headache I got when I used the Diva, from too strong suction on my cervix. Just like you, the pain went away almost immediately when I took the cup out. There are very few cups that have done this to me (I've tried a whole lot of different cups in six years). I've never made a cup's holes bigger, but that could help. Several people have done it to lessen the strength of suction.

Have you looked at the size chart? http://sizecharts.livejournal.com
Are both your cups Divas? They are notoriously long for many people (including me!) The Diva is 57mm in length, so you might need a shorter cup. And you can try recouping the money by posting cups for sale in http://mc-sales.livejournal.com
Kumarakumaradosha on September 15th, 2014 07:08 pm (UTC)
Unfortunately, yes. :( I was overeager and didn't have the foresight to consider other size/brand options.

I've since inserted it again and got the same pain. Looks like cervix suction is probably one of the issues. Also, it may have a habit of not opening completely. It's hard to tell, because it seems like it has to dent a little to fit the shape of my vagina anyway. But after fiddling with it some more and undoing and redoing (painful) suction back and forth, I think there was a small pop, and I've managed to reduce the suction pain. And the current soreness I feel may fade if I stop messing with it now. We'll see how it goes. It may not be the perfect fit, but maybe I can still get it to work...

It's funny, because at first I thought long was a blessing (when I erroneously tried a dry run while ovulating, and my cervix was a million miles deep, which it adhered to), but now it seems to reach too far!
Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on September 15th, 2014 08:29 pm (UTC)
Oh dear, it seems that every time you try using it, something traumatic happens. Is it possible that cups just aren't for you?

As for trejoy's comment about suction, there shouldn't be any. And this is why: http://community.livejournal.com/menstrual_cups/2091967.html
Kumara: L purple innocencekumaradosha on September 15th, 2014 09:11 pm (UTC)
Maybe they aren't for me. My cervix always seems to be the core of the problem. Do you think, instead of "suction", it's actually pressure on the cervix? I do feel an air bubble pressing inside me when I slip the cup further in... I'm just going to keep trying every once in a while with pads as breaks in between...

Do you think widening the holes or turning the cup inside out would help in this case? (I was going to widen the holes since last time, but I forgot and haven't had the proper equipment.)

Strange that this immense of pain didn't happen last time when I wasn't on my period...
Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on September 15th, 2014 09:34 pm (UTC)
Enlarging the holes might help.

Turning it inside out will shorten it and put the stem on the inside where you can't use it to get a grip. Considering the trouble you had getting it out last time, I don't think that would be a good idea.
Kumarakumaradosha on September 15th, 2014 10:09 pm (UTC)
Actually, now that I'm on my period, my cervix is very low, to the point that the stem actually sticks out, and I have a perfectly fine time taking it out. I've never been able to use it to get a good grip anyway; I have to grab the base.
Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on September 15th, 2014 10:12 pm (UTC)
Use your best judgement. :o)
..::bella vita::..por_que_no on September 15th, 2014 10:41 pm (UTC)
Sounds like it's suckering onto your cervix, yes. My Lily started doing this to me at the end of my period when my cervix drops and dangles a bit (the Lily is an enormously long cup, and my cervix is usually enormously high, so they are a good match for each other otherwise). Apparently the Lily has exactly the right diameter to fit around my cervix like my painted-on jeans...which would be ok if that didn't cause cramping! Luckily, mine only extends into the uterus, but my instinct is that it is the same situation. Try a wider cup that won't hug your cervix so much, and obviously, something shorter and softer. The large Fleur seems to be a popular one, and I also highly recommend the large Si-Bell (which also has a very long, but thin stem, which you can leave on if your cervix migrates higher/you think sometimes you'll have a problem reaching it). The large Sckoon is a similar shape to those two, though the cup itself is a bit smaller, so you may like that one as well.
jenn4a on September 16th, 2014 04:24 am (UTC)
I agree with what everyone has said so far; I wanted to add a little though.

Not only could a shorter cup help, but maybe a narrower one too.
When my cups open in the wrong area, I get a crampy pain in my pelvic area; I also get a pain when there isn't enough air in the cup. That mainly happens when the holes are blocked.
On day one of AF, when I insert the cup it leaves a slight pain; this is when my vagina isn't as relaxed. During the heaviest days when I leak a little, I notice no pain from the cups; this is when my vagina is more "relaxed."

As far as different cups go, I second the Si-bell and sckoon recommendation.
You could also go for a soft meluna, or maybe a fleurcup.
My meluna has given me the least trouble; the fleurcup has grips on the stem which I find irritating for the first 2 hours until it settles. The fleurcup's air holes also get blocked easily., in my experience.

Whenever I have to reinsert a cup (like if I messed up the first try) I have to rinse out the air holes before I try again.

I recommend those 4 cups because they're shorter and aside from the sckoon, I know they're also slightly more narrow.


denise: lightbulbcarpetfish on September 16th, 2014 06:40 pm (UTC)
The only cup that's done that to me is the small soft Meluna. My theory is that the rim was somehow pushing against my cervix...soft as it is, it still does have a rim, which at 38mm is possibly too small for me?

It is my smallest and softest cup (I have 5), so I wouldn't particularly recommend going in that direction for your next cup. :)
jenn4a on September 16th, 2014 10:57 pm (UTC)
Sorry i didn't clarify! :p
I have the classic medium meluna (which is still fairly small) ;)
I don't think I really need a soft cup, but may end up trying one out sometime. Like a si-bell since I have a higher cervix. Mine actually goes up on my period. :0
Both my cups have a diameter of 41mm, and I believe the small diva is 43mm? It's not a big difference though.

On day one, and the last day, my walls aren't as relaxed so even the 41mm diameter feels big. On my heavier days they don't feel big when the walls are more relaxed if that makes sense.

I agree with skipping the S meluna (unless someone really needs it of course), but the Medium Meluna is still a decent option, only slightly bigger, and also has more capacity than the S.
I would still recommend
Si bell S.
Sckoon S
Meluna M in either classic or soft depending on one's needs. (This is short for me, but I can make it work :) my cervix is up around 8cm or more.
Fleurcup S. (My fleur seems slightly more resistant than my meluna classic.) and the stem is slightly irritating.

I'm not sure if it's important but I'm almost 21, no kids, and with decent muscle strength.

Kumara: Kuja father figure?kumaradosha on September 17th, 2014 04:12 am (UTC)
Update: I just tried it again; it's one of my heaviest days. At first, I tried turning it inside out, but I couldn't for the life of me position it even remotely correctly. So I turned it right side out but tried a different folding technique. I had been using the Seven or Punch-down folds, but this time I tried the C fold. It seemed to work somewhat better and almost immediately popped open correctly.

I left it in for about half an hour and felt some cramping, but so far none that really rivaled the pain in the past. However, I just felt this...restlessness. I couldn't concentrate on my activities, and I just had this great desire to take it out of me. So I did.

It sure caught a lot of blood for half an hour. And no leaks, either! This is definitely more of a success. Maybe I just need to gradually get used to it and not have it do full shifts right away. Then I might build a tolerance for whatever unease I was feeling. Maybe I'll give it another turn tomorrow.

As always, thanks for everybody's support!
jenn4a on September 17th, 2014 07:12 am (UTC)
That's great!
I've read many first time cup using stories and many of the comments say something about there being some discomfort (for some users) the first couple months of using a cup. "Like the vagina is just not used to having a cup up there" kind of thing. Just as long as the discomfort is bearable. ;p

I remember I had a little anxiety when I started using my meluna. I was constantly thinking about it, like a new favorite accessory or phone kind of feeling. So since I was thinking about it, I noticed the cup more, and I was worrying about if I put it in right. When the new exciting feeling went away, I stopped noticing discomfort since I could focus on something else instead of the concept of something new inside me. :D

The more comfortable you are with your body and the cup, the better the cup experience will go! :) I mean this to a certain extent though.

Since it went better today/yesterday, just keep trying I what you're comfortable with.
Glad to hear you're getting more comfortable! Don't give up :)