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03 September 2014 @ 05:28 pm
Hi wonderful people,

So a few cycles ago I started to get a heavy flow (I'm 14) so I bought a large fleurcup as I was filling up my small lunette in around 3 hours. My fleurcup arrived last cycle and all was fabulous and I wasn't having to change until 11 or 12 hours! I was also walking a lot last cycle (30 - 45mins per day).

Then this cycle I noticed that I started exactly 4 weeks after I finished my last and it was really light on the first and second days (not even filling up my lunette) now today (3rd day) I got up this morning and I had leaked completely through! Cleaned up popped it back in and went to school and had to change it every 3 hours! Last cycle I was having to change my SMALL lunette every 3 hours! Argh.

I think it might be linked to the fact that I did barely any walking the month leading up to now (busy with school and other commitments). Anyway I definitely going to do more walking this month and see if that helps, but I was wondering if there are any herbal remedies (that are easily accessible) to help lighten the flow a little? I've heard of red raspberry leaf tea, but the raspberry tea that mum buys doesn't actually have raspberry leaves in it! It has blackberry in it though and I've read somewhere that can help. I've also heard that 200mg of ibuprofen every 4-6 hours can lighten the flow too. I don't have access to any ibuprofen but is there another over the counter medicine that is the same/ has the same effect?

Thanks so much,

Sammi xx
elisamba on September 3rd, 2014 08:59 am (UTC)
Yarrow worked for me for an isolated case of heavy bleeding (it's not my usual pattern). You might want to Google it but I used the genuine herbs from a herbalist, not any prepared commercial blends or tea bags. Definitely needs honey! It also might be good to see a medical professional to see if there is an explanation for the change.

Edited at 2014-09-03 09:00 am (UTC)
mshanai on September 3rd, 2014 12:41 pm (UTC)
I don't think you should self-treat this... On the one hand, it could be nothing to worry about--as you are still very young and developing, your periods will be a bit less consistent than those of someone who's finished puberty. On the other hand, it could be a sign of something more serious. I don't think the amount of walking you did or didn't do can explain a threefold increase in menstrual flow.

Are you sexually active, and are you using good contraceptive methods if you are?
Gluppit the prawling strangles, thereelettaria on September 3rd, 2014 03:07 pm (UTC)
Actually, yes, on second thoughts I agree with this comment. If you're bleeding this heavily, it should be checked out by a doctor before you try any home remedies. They say that you should do that if you're soaking a heavy flow tampon in less than an hour, and you sound like you're bleeding that much or more.
Gluppit the prawling strangles, thereelettaria on September 3rd, 2014 03:06 pm (UTC)
In my experience, a good dose of Omega 3 oils helps. Not flaxseed, that just gave me nasty breast pain. I'm veggie, so I won't use fish oil, although I hear that can have the same effect for some people. I originally tried echium seed oil, and am now on algae oil (Opti3). I take three capsules a day. I'm actually taking them for other reasons, I have severe ME/CFS and it's a good supplement for that, but I noticed that they reduced my bleeding to about half of what it was before, and since I have a copper IUD making my periods heavier, this was very welcome. I have no idea why it does this, but a google showed that other people have experienced it too.

If you're bleeding that heavily, mention it to the doctor, and get them to check your iron levels.
jenn4a on September 3rd, 2014 08:42 pm (UTC)
I believe there are links between copper excess and estrogen dominance. Estrogen dominance can also be linked to heavier periods. Of course I'm not a doctor but I've seen this on quite a few places. :)

To OP:
Yeah I wouldn't self treat, as someone else said. Even if you treat the symptoms you could be hiding something serious. (Not that you have serious symptoms.)

This is how my periods have pretty much always been. Even my first, but they are never the same. All days are clumpy...
First 2 hours =light
The rest of the 1st day is heavy. *leak through super tampon in 20 mins*
Day 2. Leak through 20 mins to 2 hrs.
Day 3. Medium flow.
Days 4-6 light and clumpy.

If you have other symptoms or are worried, talk to your dr. Just a heavy flow every now and then isn't alarming. :) but I have a ton of symptoms. :(
Gluppit the prawling strangles, thereelettaria on September 3rd, 2014 10:19 pm (UTC)
The level of copper you get from an IUD is much less than the copper in your drinking water. I'm trying to remember why they tend to make periods heavier. A bit of local inflammation of the uterine lining? Anyway, even with the IUD, I still have exceptionally light periods!
jenn4a on September 3rd, 2014 10:49 pm (UTC)
Good to know! :) sorry, I don't use an IUD but have read a little about copper. My hair has been falling out and my Dr. told me that a copper IUD would make my hair fall out faster and possibly make me have heavier periods. Since that visit I haven't looked up much about IUD. (It was around a year ago.)

As far as the hair falling out thing, I noticed when I took chlorophyll supplements (it had like 125% daily copper), my hair started falling out almost by the clumps ... I stopped taking it and my hair hasn't been thinning as fast.
***Just another reason why you have to be careful what you take!
If I didn't know that copper "could" cause thinning hair, I would have kept taking it and possibly blamed something else. This was just my reaction and I took less than it recommended... for just 6 days.

Everyone's reaction can greatly differ so even if you're advised to take something, I would document everything.
You could make a menstrual log, food log, exercise log, and a symptom log to help you keep track. :)

ETA: I'm sorry, I try to speak in general and this isn't specifically for anyone. I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm trying to tell anyone specifically. I hope my experience is a good example if anything :D

Edited at 2014-09-03 10:51 pm (UTC)
mshanai on September 3rd, 2014 11:02 pm (UTC)
You might want to sign up on a hair forum, like longhaircommunity.com, and check for causes of hair loss. It's a pretty complicated issue--a single symptom that could be caused by a myriad health problems, dietary deficiencies, etc. The people on that forum are very knowledgeable about what causes hair loss and can point you to some things for your GP to consider. Thyroid function and other hormonal panels are often the place to start. Again, I am arguing for not ruling out other explanations here--the copper IUD thing might be unrelated. Is it a hormone-releasing IUD that you have, btw? Like a Mirena or something? I don't know an awful lot about them and have never had one, but I do know that there's IUDs and then there's IUDs....
xyzpdq84 on September 11th, 2014 04:56 am (UTC)
My moderate hair loss (~200 strands daily or more at times) is due to food+environmental allergens, hormone problems, etc all due to intestinal candidiasis (yeast infection in the intestines). I can't stop it but am being treated for it with Diflucan oral liquid, and am doing much better health-wise after removing offending foods and additives. But still my hair is falling out like mad. But I can see on my good days (or week or more) my hair falls out much less, it's more of a normal hair fall then. I am also a member of LHC and have discussed my hair issues on a few threads there. There is at least one other person that I know of on LHC that has had intestinal candidiasis and she mentioned it when conversing with me. I am glad to know she experienced very similar problems that I am currently experiencing.

I agree, it may not only be the copper IUD but also other issues such as nutritional deficiencies, hormone issues or even things like candidiasis and food allergies.
Gluppit the prawling strangles, thereelettaria on September 4th, 2014 10:13 am (UTC)
Heavier periods are a known side effect of the copper IUD, but hair loss is not. As I said, you don't actually get that much copper being released into your body. Perhaps your doctor was thinking of the hormonal IUD, Mirena? I can't remember offhand if that can cause hair loss, but Depo Provera can (and did, for me, to an alarming extent) and they're both progestogen-only methods. As far as the oestrogen dominance thing goes, I'm not sure. I have a shorter luteal phase with my copper IUD, although of course I wasn't charting my cycles before I got it, so perhaps it wasn't the IUD that caused it (I had a more normal luteal phase years earlier, in my early twenties). The copper is meant to be inert and not cause any hormonal shifts, but apparently shorter luteal phases can be a thing, and that's a small hormonal shift. It's still absolutely nothing compared to being on hormonal contraception, though.

There are a lot of myths about IUDs about, especially in the US.

Yeah, nutritional supplements can be a lot more potent than people expect. I had awful breast pain on flaxseed oil, for instance.
jenn4a on September 10th, 2014 09:46 am (UTC)
Hey guys sorry for the late reply! I've been busy, and sorry to the OP:(

You both got me curious now. Here's what I experience. ..

Almost always breast pain within the center
I do feel lumps/grains but think it might be normal.
Water retention (always)
Weight gain 9 pounds before AF
Hair thinning for 2 years
Acne + oily scalp and face 1 week before period
Monthly depression
Loss of motivation & fatigue
I sweat heavy in the night even when I fall asleep feeling cold.
HOT FLASHES a week or two before, up to start of AF. (Not extreme, but I notice them) last 2-3 months.
PMS! (The mood swings like crazy person)
Frequent abdominal pain
Heavy periods with clots
My waist & thighs also balloons up 2 weeks before AF.
My hair is getting thicker by my lower bits, and bikini area :(
My stomach hair is getting thicker too, like a happy trail. :'(
The armpit hairs are now getting thicker growing towards my breasts (even on the edge of breast now). (Very annoying!)
Irregular cycle?
Shortest cycle length 32 days
Longest 56 day (that I have recorded)
Average (but always different lengths) 36 days

Btw I am only 20 soon to be 21.... So this alarms me.
I'm sorry for this post, but I have no idea what to believe.
You guys seem to know quite a bit! :)
I also know that some of these are common, or even normal, but I don't believe that all of this is normal.

Btw, I was on some low dose BC last fall, and it wrecked me! I only was on it for 2-3 weeks but I lost a lot of blood due to break through bleeding. I also got morning sickness! Only it was throughout the whole day; it was so bad that I almost had to run out of class..
Just to clarify, I have not had an IUD though. I asked about it last year and my doctor didn't recommend it.

xyzpdq84 on September 11th, 2014 05:07 am (UTC)
Jenn4a, definitely see an endocrinologist if you can. It definitely sounds like one of three things:
1) Polycystic Ovary Syndrome
2) food allergies
3) intestinal candidiasis

I was checked for PCOS and was supposedly negative.

I was began getting rid of foods in my diet that I noticed caused me major health problems (aka allergies and intolerances).

I then began treatment for candidiasis and boom I started feeling immediately much better after taking that first dose of Diflucan! Mental health improved 10-fold! Intestines calmed down dome, though I did have "die-off" from the yeast dying which caused strange symptoms like flu-like symptoms with nausea, diarrhea, fever, etc), high BP some days, feeling like I was going to faint when walking or standing.

My symptoms were and to some extent still are very similar to yours!:
water retention
high weight gain (actually like yours!) albs just prior to and while ON my period
constant unstoppable weight gain (severe weight gain)
Moderate hair thinning (upwards of 500 strands per day lost!)
acne and oily face and scalp prior to and on my period though my face was always oily most of the year
drastic mood swings (diagnosed bipolar with hallucinations (auditory and visual) (mood issues disappeared but auditory hallucinations remain still)
no motivation at all
fatigue 90% of my LIFE
sweating heavily like I broke a high fever every night until i started sleeping with a strong fan on my head whenever I slept like a nap or at night
Hot flashes all the friggen time
PMS, very irritable, moody, etc a week before and up to my period
food cravings badly the week before my period
extremely heavy, clotty periods that lasted 21 days at the longest!
Heavier and heavier dark facial hair
very irregular cycle. I had gone nearly a year without a period before! on several occasions.
I just turned 30 this year and had these problems since I was at least 18.

I was put on low dose birth control (Ocella) and ended up in the hospital with what my doctor said were "multiple massive blood clots in my lungs" Nearly died, was on Coumadin for 10 months which was super expensive due to the 3x weekly trips to the doc for INR checks.

I never had an IUD put in. Only the short 2 months of birth control pills which landed me nearly in the morgue.

I hope you can get this figured out. I feel for you. *hugs*
Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on September 3rd, 2014 09:06 pm (UTC)
I agree. This is not something you should try to treat yourself with home remedies or off-the-shelf medications.

Just because something is herbal or "all natural" doesn't mean it can't be dangerous if used wrong. Playing "kitchen witch" with leaves and roots is a science. There's a whole lot more to it than "I read somebody mentioned it once." There's a lot of well-meaning bad and even dangerous information and advice online. Don't take anyone's word for it without checking it out first.

Using what you know about the capacities of your cups, guesstimate how much is in there each time you dump it. Keep track and tally it up at the end of each day, then write it on a calendar -- either paper or electronic. (I found paper to be easier.) That's good quantitative information to give to your doctor. You might just be "going through a phase." Or a day or two of gushing might become normal for you. (Me too.) The sudden change isn't terribly alarming but it's worth mentioning to your doctor next time you go. I don't think it warrants a special trip but trust your gut. If you think there's "something wrong" then definitely bring it to your mother's attention.

In the mean time, drink lots of liquids before and during. And eat a proper balanced diet. "Lots of greens, a little browns."
..::bella vita::..por_que_no on September 4th, 2014 03:13 am (UTC)
If you haven't already, see if your GP can recommend a gyno for you. It would be nice for you to begin a working relationship with a good gyno now (I would personally be more comfortable with a woman but maybe there's a great male doctor in your area too) so as you get older you can approach them with anything. Sure, your hormones may just be whacked because you're 14 and every 14 year old has whacked hormones, but better safe than sorry. Good luck!