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19 August 2014 @ 10:25 pm
Hello ladies.

I would really appreciate some council on an issue I'm having I'm a 26 year old virgin (not sure it matters but everyone else is saying it, so why not). I have used my keeper mooncup a few times with mixed results. Still going through the learning curve. I've been able to mostly resolve my insertion/removal issues with perusing these and other forums. But there are a couple of issues I'd like some personalized advice for.

I can't really tell how high/low my cervix is. There have been a couple of times that removal was very easy and painless, once I figured out how to break the seal. I can't pinch the base (suction doesn't break for some reason) and I can't really fit more than one finger in comfortably, so I typically have to go in kinda deep and push the rim in to break the suction. One time, though, it was so high up that I had my finger in to the knuckle and I could just play at the stem. I had to learn some things about birth to push it down low enough to get it out. It was an all day process as it would get too frustrating for me to continue. I'm really frightened of that happening again. I have a really heavy three day flow. So if I don't empty it every 4-5 hours, it overflows. But it hasn't always been that high up, so I'm not sure what that means or how I should approach the cup most effectively.

My biggest problem though is releasing. The problem is twofold I have trouble getting it to open. I have to finagle it a lot to get it to open. My shortest time doing this has been 5 minutes, but it's taken up to 30. Pushing on it, turning, pulling down, pushing up, wiggling, angling, jiggling, singing Patsy Cline songs. Then, once it does finally open up, oh my god does it hurt. It pulls on my cervix like I stuck a vacuum cleaner against it. It also feels like I have really bad gas and pressure. Usually it subsides after 20 minutes or so, and I kinda took it as a part of mooncuping. But today it was too much and it wouldn't go away, so I took it out. It occurred to me that I may be doing something wrong, or not understanding my anatomy enough to do it right? Anyways, I would love it if I could get some advice. Thank you so much in advance!
 
Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on August 19th, 2014 01:45 pm (UTC)
Try enlarging the anti-suction holes around the rim. They help with popping open and with breaking the seal for removal. The holes on the cup with the largest holes are 2mm. Something like a piercing or dermal punch will probably leave a less ragged hole than scissors or a drill bit.
kurokisachi on August 19th, 2014 02:19 pm (UTC)
Thank you so much for your quick reply. After reading your comment I investigated the holes on my mooncup. I had read threads about enlarging the holes, but I guess in my mind I was the problem. So I didn't think it applied to me. Anyways, some of these holes aren't even open! And most of them are teensy, like pinprick size. So that could definitely be the issue! I just moved to Japan, so it may take me a minute figure out where to go to procure the tools I'll need to do it. Once I have tried this I will report back. Thanks again!
..::bella vita::..por_que_no on August 19th, 2014 03:41 pm (UTC)
Re: having to reach way up there to get to the cup--sounds like your cervix is high enough that a longer cup (maybe with better capacity) would be of benefit to you. Admittedly, there's not much I like about the design or stiffness of the Keeper/KMC, so I will almost always steer new users away from those two. My Goldilocks cup is the Si-Bell and it seems to be a good "default newbie" cup--the stem is long enough that we won't need to go spelunking for it and the cup itself isn't so long as to exclude those with a low cervix (they can just lop the stem off). And it's a LOT softer with less of a painful rim.
Sarcasticia Nitpickerson: howl sophietisiphone on August 19th, 2014 07:02 pm (UTC)
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Hi! Could you please edit your post to remove the gendered language? We explain why we ask this here. Thanks so much.
Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on August 19th, 2014 07:24 pm (UTC)
Don't rush out to buy another cup yet. Yes, some cups are a little harder to get the hang of but it's all part of the learning curve. Once you do, that Moon Cup might turn out to be your Goldilocks Cup ("juuuust riiiight") after all. Get through the learning curve with the cup that you have and don't let others influence you into picking a cup that fits THEM but not necessarily you. For example, por_que_no suggests the SiBell to EVERYONE, whether its short body is likely to fit them or not. Since your Moon Cup (which has a fairly long body) crept up pretty high, you might want to stick with long-bodied cups. But get through a few cycles with the cup you have and decide for yourself if that holds true in the long run.

If you decide that you do want another cup then use what you know, like and don't about the one you have to pick another. Compare its dimensions and capacity at http://sizecharts.livejournal.com/ or any of the other sets of charts found at the Community FAQ. Maybe you'll want a higher capacity one for your heavy days. Or maybe you'll want something shaped differently. mc_sales is a good sister site at which you can buy, sell or trade "gently used" cups that didn't work out as well as hoped.

The link above also links to Commonly Asked Questions, which is different from the Community FAQ. While you're there, follow the links to the post about suction to get a better understanding of the role it does and doesn't play.

Edited for clumsy wording.

Edited at 2014-08-19 09:49 pm (UTC)
..::bella vita::..por_que_no on August 20th, 2014 02:07 am (UTC)
The need for a long body (as opposed to simply a long total length, cup + stem) depends on where the pubic bone is. If it hangs low and creates a lot of space between it and the cervix, then yes, a long body will be great, but if it sits high and closer to the cervix than to the entrance, the user who chooses a long bodied cup won't get the advertised capacity out of the cup (or, for that matter, a good seal) because the base will be pinched. At least with a shorter cup + longer stem, a high cervixed user could at least reach the stem to pull down the cup--but the too-long cup body problem is not so easily fixable. That's why I say the Si-Bell has better odds of working for a greater number of people (though, obviously, one cup cannot be everyone's actual Goldilocks). It's sort of like recommending dark-wash, boot-cut jeans: there are some people who may not find the look suitable for their bodies, but such a style has a better chance of looking good on most people than, say, a pair of white skinnies.
Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on August 20th, 2014 03:12 pm (UTC)
You make good points but my reply remains that the answer to every question and complaint shouldn't automatically be, "You bought the wrong cup. You should have gotten a SiBell instead."

In this case the OP has not complained about size, shape or any discomfort while wearing her Moon Cup. She just hasn't figured out how to insert and remove it yet. Yeah, its long narrow shape, flared rim and tiny anti-suction holes (easily modified) make it a little trickier to figure out -- but I have confidence in her. She didn't necessarily get the wrong cup.