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I think I have now made ​​some very perfect suction holes. - See http://menstrual-cups.livejournal.com/3315785.html?thread=36388937#t36388937

After the first attempt, where I was completely unprepared (did a dry run and then couldn't get the cup out again and had to go to my doctor...), I now have respect for it, and I have read everything I could find in order to become a "cup-expert".

I planned to try my JuJu cup again, but this time during my period, and when the day came, I tried a few times to place it relatively low in the vagina and then take it out again. It went fine. I could push the cup out until I could squeeze the base of the cup to break the suction seal, and I could really feel a difference with the new holes in the cup.

However letting it ride all the way up was another thing. - I spent a whole hour staring at the cup with utmost respect, and unfortunately I ended up not having the guts to let it ride up. I think it's extra embarrassing to ask my doctor to remove it during menstruation.

I really want to try again one day where I don't have my period. I've read several post advising against dry-runs, but on the other hand, if the cup can only be removed during heavy menstruation, what should I then do at the beginning or end of my period where I don't bleed much?

My questions are:
1) Are there any experienced cup users out there who also have a high cervix and do dry runs? What is your experience?
2) Will I be able to push the cup some of the way out, when it is placed high in the vagina? Or will I have to tug on the stem until I can reach the base of the cup - with the risk of increasing the suction seal?
3) JuJu is a very comfortable cup, but it is very slippery. Do you think it is too advanced for a beginner like me with a high cervix?
Thanks in advance ;-)

I am not a virgin, but I haven't had children.
mshanai on August 18th, 2014 01:04 pm (UTC)
I think people recommend against dry runs because they are not particularly informative as to what your experience will be when you are actually having your period. I wear the cup for other reasons when I am not menstruating sometimes, and it can be harder to remove when I am bleeding than when I am not. It could be because I am worried about making a mess, or because I am cramping, or maybe my cervix position changes. Who knows.

Anyway, I can't tell from what you've said whether you are a virgin or how old you are. The reason I ask is because with your high cervix position, you might just have to get more comfortable with rooting around in your vagina to get the cup out than you might be presently. Just get that hand in there, pinch the base, and pull the thing out. Do it in the shower the first few times so making a mess is not a problem.

Edited at 2014-08-18 01:05 pm (UTC)
tibra2014tibra2014 on August 18th, 2014 01:51 pm (UTC)
Thanks! - No - I am not a virgin, but I haven't had children.

As I remember it from my first attempt, I could only reach the stem, and I certainly could not get my finger up around the side of the cup.
m03m on August 18th, 2014 01:22 pm (UTC)
Will I be able to push the cup some of the way out, when it is placed high in the vagina?

All signs point to yes. Most users can do that by bearing down as if we're trying to 'birth' the cup. It's likely that you'll be able to learn that, too.
trejoytrejoy on August 18th, 2014 05:19 pm (UTC)
I agree with m03m, it's a matter of learning to "birth" the cup. Have you tried squatting like a sumo wrestler? On rare occasions when my cervix has moved that high, this position (and some internal pushing) brought the cup down low enough to grab the stem and run a finger alongside to wiggle the cup out.

Try mshanai's suggestion. Lots of folks remove their cup whilst taking a shower since muscles are more relaxed (as well as mess containment).
tibra2014tibra2014 on August 18th, 2014 06:29 pm (UTC)
Yes - I tried squatting the first time, and I think I was on the right track. However I find it more difficult to relax when I am squatting.

I have a question: You say "On rare occasions when my cervix has moved that high": Honestly.... Do you think that you would be a cup user, if that's how it was every time?

Edited at 2014-08-18 06:31 pm (UTC)
mshanai on August 18th, 2014 07:06 pm (UTC)
My cervix height is pretty variable, and most of the time the cup rides high enough that I have to do some reaching to get the bottom of the cup. I just deal with it and thank my lucky stars that I am not one of the low-cervix people who have to shop around for the right type of cup.

Re: "birthing" the cup. The "bearing down" terminology didn't make much sense to me when I first got a cup, but I figured out soon enough that when you tense up your abs, your inner organs are displaced and the cup slides down. Squat down on the floor with your legs wide apart--the sumo squat trejoy describes--and the cup will slide down on its own. If it's not low enough for you to reach, tense up as if going for a poo. (Make sure you've pooed before this, of course.) I guarantee it will slide down low enough for you to grab.

If you have sufficient privacy for this, I recommend setting some time aside with some lube and a mirror and really getting to know your insides. Wash your hands, trim your nails, and go to town. Tense your abs, feel what happens inside. Learn which muscles to tense up to get kegels to work by sticking your finger inside and "grabbing" it with your muscles. It's fun.
elisamba on August 18th, 2014 07:50 pm (UTC)
If you have only done dry runs so far, wait for your period. Your cervix might drop low enough for the Juju to be perfect. Even on your light flow days, your cervix will still probably be lower than during ovulation.

The Juju, while <3 gorgeous <3, is a medium-length cup. In your shower, you can check your cervix even while on your period, to see if you think the Juju will still ride up high.

I had two traumatic dry runs with my high cervix, the worst being a mini Meluna (ie worst dry run, not dissing the Melunas...). The word "pry" should not be juxtaposed with "lady bits". :) The large Fleurcup was better, but the stem still was comfortably all the way inside, so I got a small Gaiacup (one of the longest cups) and that is my "goldilocks".

I am a firm believer in cups being as comfy and hassle-free as possible. Some of the advice I have tried - squatting, using ice water (!) to make the cup firmer for insertion, bearing down etc. - does not seem practical in the long term or in all circumstances. I can see using those tips to get through the learning curve with a less-than-ideal cup. But once you have your goldilocks, I believe it should unfold like a charm and be easy to remove in a position you could sit in anywhere (and in under twenty seconds, it still won't be as fast as a tampon).
trejoytrejoy on August 19th, 2014 06:50 am (UTC)
I would definitely use a cup if my cervix were high, I'd just use a Gaia, Mami or NaturalMamma since they are longer. With a fairly low cervix was initially a challenge for me to narrow down the width and softness I needed. I was still grateful to be using a cup, I just had comfort, fit and leaking issues for while.
m03m on August 19th, 2014 08:56 am (UTC)
Reading your posting again... that's so cool that you made extra air holes! Any chance you can post a pic?
I just love the idea of hacking (modifying) stuff to make it meet your needs, instead of mindlessly throwing it out and buying yet more stuff.

I have modified my Fleurcup by cutting the stem and the grip rings off and then filing/sanding it down until it was nice and smooth. It's now my personal perfect cup, a cup you can't buy. And it really works well for me.

I hope your hacked cup works just as well for you. And yay for making things work!
tibra2014tibra2014 on August 25th, 2014 06:38 pm (UTC)
I have uploaded a picture of the cup and piercing tool. I didn't manage to get a sharp image of one of the holes, but they are absolutely perfect, with no jagged edges. I have placed the new holes in the gaps between each of the four original holes.

See http://menstrual-cups.livejournal.com/3315785.html?thread=36388937#t36388937
tibra2014tibra2014 on August 20th, 2014 06:43 pm (UTC)
Thanks for all the answers!

I have only been able to find the cervix during menstruation, and only by squatting like a sumo wrestler.

I understand that it is probably easiest to remove the cup during menstruation, but is it a completely hopeless plan to train the use of the cup through dry runs? I believe that only if I am 100 percent sure that I will be able to get the cup out under the worst circumstances, it can gain my full confidence and be used on e.g. vacations where there is no opportunity to get help to get it out again.

I know that I will be a lot better at relaxing and do what you are suggesting, when I do not have my period, and I will also have a better mental energy to fight in order to get the cup out.

Edited at 2014-08-20 06:48 pm (UTC)