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11 July 2014 @ 09:41 am
I asked about this a while back so I apologize but I can't seem to find info to help me solve this problem. I have 2 cups, a diva cup and a fleur cup and neither stays in. No matter what I do, the cup always slides down so that it is hanging out of me (i.e. I can feel it when I wipe after I pee). I have to reach in and push it up or re-insert it several times or just deal with the slightly uncomfortable feeling of it hanging out. The cup is indeed open all the way and I can spin it so that means it is sealed, I believe. I chopped the stems off both and have worn the diva inside out which helps some with discomfort. They also feel fine when sitting and sleeping and I have no leaking issues. Is this just how it is for some women? Is my pelvic floor destroyed from having two kids? Is my cervix too low for a cup? It isn't terribly uncomfortable, I guess. I am just used to the feeling now, but I would prefer to not feel anything as with tampons. I'd like to hear if other women have had this issue with cups. I guess I thought when I started using cups it would be this amazing experience I kept reading about (can't feel anything, only changing the cup a couple times a day) but it isn't like that at all for me. I will probably keep using them because I had so many leaking issues with tampons, but I would just like to not feel so lousy about them or that I am only comfortable when sitting or sleeping.
mshanai on July 11th, 2014 01:55 pm (UTC)
It is possible that you have a prolapsed uterus--what does your OB/GYN say?
..::bella vita::..por_que_no on July 11th, 2014 02:30 pm (UTC)
It's probably your pelvic floor. Kuradi8 has some good ideas about exercises you can do to tone it back up (the "postpartum" tag might be a good place to start, if she doesn't find her way here first!)
Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on July 11th, 2014 02:33 pm (UTC)
Thanks! You beat me to it! :o)
Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on July 11th, 2014 02:32 pm (UTC)
Is your pelvic floor "destroyed?" No. But it is possible that it's out of shape. And yes, it's also possible that you have some childbirth-related prolapse.

There isn't much to be done about the low cervix but you can tone your pelvic floor.

When it comes to Kegel exercises, there are many different kegel tools. Some are hands-on and require interaction -- such as wands or tethered "orgasm balls" or gizmos that look kinda like speculums. My favorite tool is just plain Ben Wa Balls. Start with ones that are about 1" and 3/4oz apiece and then graduate to those that are appx 3/4" and 1oz apiece. The idea is to insert them and keep them in while you walk around, do the dishes, etc. Start with 20 minutes a day and build from there. The longer you keep them in, they harder they'll be to keep them inside. That's what's working your PCs -- hands free, no interaction required. Do this at home. Be sure to remember to remove them (relax, cough and catch) before going out or using the toilet.

But kegel exercises are not enough. You should also add squats (for the butt muscles) and lower abdominal crunches to your exercise routine. They all work together to tone vaginal muscles.
aeblackman77 on July 11th, 2014 02:45 pm (UTC)
Ok thanks for the info! I will look into this. I have no clue what a prolapsed uterus is so I will look into that. How long does it typically take to rebuild pelvic floor muscles? I don't exercise at all now so this will be a big change for me if I can get in a habit of all that...
Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on July 11th, 2014 02:52 pm (UTC)
Google is your friend when it comes to prolapse. It's not worth a special visit but mention it to your Gyno next time you go. Bring your cup with you because "he" probably doesn't have any idea what it is.

And results from exercise are different for everyone.
aeblackman77 on July 11th, 2014 02:50 pm (UTC)
Also where do you buy Ben wa balls?
Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on July 11th, 2014 02:54 pm (UTC)
Again, Google is your friend. :o) You'll probably get the most results from (ahem) "adult toy" sites.
aeblackman77 on July 11th, 2014 03:06 pm (UTC)
OK thanks! I actually have my annual visit coming up so, good timing I guess
Luceafaraluceafara on July 13th, 2014 03:11 pm (UTC)
Amazon sells them as well. Also, in addition to Trejoy's recommendations, you may want to check out the dimensions of the large Eco-cup/Lybera. It's wide at the rim, but very short.

I posted a bunch of comparison pictures here:
http://menstrual-cups.livejournal.com/3246071.html Scroll down the thread for more pictures of the Eco.

Edited at 2014-07-13 03:14 pm (UTC)
bklynmom on July 12th, 2014 12:12 am (UTC)
Although working on pelvic floor muscles will help, it may be a long term solution. Using a wider cup might help in the short term. I find my diva is long and narrow compared to my fleur or my sckoon. The wider cups don't move as much inside me. Do you find any difference between your diva and fleur? Are both large sizes? The only cups larger than the large fleur are the meluna XL, luv ur body and femmy cycle (I think). I've tried the meluna and femmy cycle and found both a little large for me so they might work for you.

Fwiw I had a big baby and have never been the same since! Kegels and crunches have helped my tone, but there's definitely more space in my vag since I gave birth (not at all a bad thing). Maybe you can try exercises AND a wider cup. Don't give up, it's worth it to find the right cup.

By the way, I'm not sure your cervix is low if you can put the diva in. It's pretty long. Have you checked with your finger? That might help when you're looking at the size charts although a wide cup can sit around your cervix and allow you to use a cup that's longer then the distance to your cervix.
trejoy: double melunatrejoy on July 12th, 2014 07:58 pm (UTC)
You might consider a shorter large cup, if lowered cervix could be a culprit (and cervices are not stationary!) Diva was my first cup and I was able to insert it, but it would move down as my cervix did and was not comfortable.
Fwiw, Iris, Sckoon, Femmecup and Ruby are the ones that are short enough for me but also wide enough. In addition to the Diva, the Lunette, Fleur and Cuplee were all too long for my cervical maneuverings and uncomfortable.
elisamba on July 13th, 2014 03:55 pm (UTC)
What about a cup with a more pronounced rim, like a Keeper, Mooncup or Femmecup? May stay in place better.
ljsolditssoul on July 20th, 2014 07:08 pm (UTC)
I'm having the exact same problem!

I've had two kids. I have no idea if I have a prolapsed Uterus, when I asked my OBGYN she wouldn't check. She shrugged and said "it's no big deal."

I tried a Diva cup size 2. I would think I got it in far enough but after a few minutes of walking around it would get lower and lower until the base was coming out: very uncomfortable! I turned it inside out to make it shorter, but same thing.

After some research I bought a Skoon cup. This is my first cycle using the Skoon cup but same thing! It keeps falling out! There is never any leakage, so they work ok, they are just uncomfortable. I am so frustrated!

After my last cycle ended I started doing reverse crunches to see if my pelvic floor muscles were the problem. It hasn't seemed to make much difference this cycle: 32 days later.