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I have a menstrual cup stuck inside my vagina; I repeat, I have a menstrual cup STUCK inside my vagina!

I just recently heard about Divacups and thought they sounded like a great alternative to the pads I usually use. I hardly ever use tampons, because my period tends to leak right past them, plus the risk of toxic shock, PLUS it always feels like I have to give painful, scratchy BIRTH to get them out. So I ordered a couple size 1 Divacups in the mail and just got them today and decided to try a dry run while not on my period.

I’m a 24-year-old virgin, and my gynecologist said I have an especially tight hymen. I also have weak, short fingers, and short little t-rex arms. And now I have discovered I apparently have a high cervix. The perfect storm.

It was really difficult getting it in; it felt more like stuffing it in. I felt it pop once I finally managed to fit it in, but I wasn’t sure it sealed right. The stem was off to one side awkwardly. I tried pushing it in a little further, to try to get it to be in right. Tried twisting it like it recommends, but there’s no way I can budge that thing! So I skipped that. I left it in for a few minutes just to get used to it. It gave me some little cramps, and occasionally, I felt the stem, but otherwise, it was fine. It feels almost invisible inside me now (which only further negates my motivation to keep trying to get it out).

However, when I tried to get it out, I couldn’t. Can’t. It’s been four hours, and I’ve been trying on and off. I’ve tried nearly everything I can think of… I’ve read up a lot, and I know my goal should be to break the suction before trying to pull it out. From what I’ve read, I think it has a suction grip on my cervix.

I’ve tried sticking my longest finger in and trying to press the bulb against my vaginal wall to break the seal, but no dice. I’ve tried two fingers, but no dice. I’ve tried finger and thumb, but my fingers/arm are too short to reach properly, and it’s a tight fit. I can’t even get a good grip on the stem, let alone the bulb. I’ve tried inserting two clean highlighter pens to chopstick it out. Nope. I’ve even tried a spoon, which actually WENT IN, to my surprise. But still can’t break the seal.

I’ve tried sitting on the toilet, lying down, squatting, putting one foot on the toilet, curling up like a roly poly head-down on my bed. Tried bearing down and relaxing, and I can tell all these thing make some sort of difference, but none have gotten it OUT. Each time, I try until it gets to the point where I can’t fit anything in without pain or irritation, and I have to take a break. I’m just so tired of trying.

My best (male) friend has been insisting I go to the hospital this whole time, and I DON’T WANT TO. I don’t care about embarrassment, but I don’t have the money or effort for that crap. Not for something like this. Not only would I have wasted 40 bucks on my Divacup kit, but I would also have an ER bill AND would have to be social. Screw that. I want to get this fixed in a way that will allow me to try this again, while on my period!

HOW DO I GET IT OUT WITHOUT A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL OR DAMAGING THE CUP?

EDIT: PROBLEM RESOLVED.
 
Sarcasticia Nitpickersontisiphone on July 3rd, 2014 08:21 am (UTC)
OK, first things first, try to calm down. I know it sounds patronizing as hell, but part of the problem is you're tensed up and panicking, which makes your vagina clench up and makes it worse. It's OK if it stays there for a little bit while you chill out, it's meant to be worn for 12 hours and plenty of people wear them for longer. Have some tea or a beer or whatever, watch some TV, whatever it takes to get your mind out of the hamster wheel. Next, check out the "removal - painful or problems" tag - there's a ton of good advice there. Here's a recent post that covers most of the usual methods, and kuradi8 has some good advice there. http://menstrual-cups.livejournal.com/3302799.html#comments

Edited at 2014-07-03 08:22 am (UTC)
oopsiej on July 3rd, 2014 11:01 am (UTC)
Try PUSHING, like you would if you were giving birth. Don't do stops, keep it constant. Pushing makes your cervix lower for the moment. It's what I do with my FemCap, during my period my cervix is always a lot lower. And oh, for simplicity's sake, do not do dry runs anymore :) Hopefully you'll be able to pinch the bottom of the cup if you push.
Kumara: Kuja not alonekumaradosha on July 3rd, 2014 11:03 am (UTC)
Argh, I've got to rest again... Still no progress.

Can someone explain to me more in detail what movements/angles/position I should try with the spoon? I feel like a spoon should be adequate to get it out; it just doesn't seem to be doing so. I've inserted it with the scoop facing up, and I've tried it with it facing down; I've tried to apply spatula-like pressure, and I've tried to wiggle it all around. I've tried to angle it like scooping at the cup. I don't know what's going on, but it just feels like I'm stirring my vagina, and the cup just wiggles around with it. I actually tried twisting the spoon 360 degrees once, but that was uncomfortable, and since then, I've been crampier and feeling strange aches, especially in my right flank?

What sucks is that I'm a surgical technologist, and I KNOW if I had some Randall stone forceps, or something of the like, I'd be able to grip it and pull it out. But the only people who have Randall forceps are hospitals, and hospitals cost money!

I swear if my fingers/arms were longer, it would be out by now...
adult child of alien invaderspinkminx on July 3rd, 2014 11:19 am (UTC)
I also have short fingers and a long vagina! I never had quite this degree of trouble with a cup, but I never did a dry run either.

A few thoughts that MIGHT be helpful: when I remove my cup, I don't push my cup against the vaginal wall but rather get my middle or index finger between the edge of the cup and the vaginal wall and push inwards, crunching the cup kind of in on itself. Two fingers work well too (thumb + index finger or middle fingers used like pincers) but sometimes I'm unable to get that deep in, especially if my cup has gravitated a bit higher up, so then I first push the cup inwards with one finger, then grab the base or stem of the cup with my thumb and another finger, and gently rotate the cup while applying pressure until I can get a good pincer grasp on it. Squatting down shorts the vagina so that's the optimal position for this.

Also, seriously consider getting a friend to help if you have somebody you think you could go to with this! I once had to resort to the help of a partner when removing a sponge tampon that had gotten lodged really high up my vagina. I seriously couldn't get that thing out by myself...
Kumara: L purple innocencekumaradosha on July 3rd, 2014 02:23 pm (UTC)
I've tried squatting, and it somehow just makes it harder for me to reach. I don't understand why, but lying frog-legged propped up on my back seems to work best. In order to even barely reach, I have to tilt my body to one side to get one arm a longer reach (meaning reaching in with two hands is extremely difficult), and that's best facilitated when I'm lying down.

I tried the handle end of the spoon, because it's simply longer than my fingers. The cup often just dodges out of the way instead of compacting inward, though. When I'm able to get a hold of the stem to sort of feel the spoon handle into the right spot to push the cup inward on itself, I sometimes hear a suction noise, like I actually separated it for a moment. But even if I bear down and try to scoop or grab it out, I still can't budge it. Either it never actually lost the seal or it instantly re-suctioned itself to me.

I also tried (gently) jamming the spoon handle into the base of the cup to try to sort of crumple it from the bottom up. This caused a sharp pain, and it made me afraid of what was going on. All I could think about after that was that you're not supposed to blow into a vagina, because it could burst the uterus--so what if I was pushing the air of the cup into the uterus?! I'm scared now.

I tried tweezers, but the ends were squared-off, which proved to be sharp and terrifying. I was too afraid of scratching or puncturing myself to get it deep and wide enough to grasp the actual cup part, and grasping the stem wasn't effective enough. At times, I felt a muted sharp pain, like I wasn't just grasping the stem but some of my actual tissue as well... Or maybe that was the pain of the severity of the suction when I pulled on the cup? In any case, I can't grasp or pull hard enough to get it out without me being afraid of pain or damaging myself, so it looks like the tweezers are a no-go.

Basically, everything that seems like it might be working causes me too much pain and fear, and I'm exhausted and demoralized. So do you think it's safe to keep trying over the weekend and go to a doctor on Monday if it's still not out, or should I just go and get it done today? (Since tomorrow is a holiday, and then there's a weekend...)

Thank you all for your help and support so far, by the way.
..::bella vita::..por_que_no on July 3rd, 2014 02:32 pm (UTC)
Yikes! This sounds similar to my Meluna issue (not death-grip suction, but the cup was just way too short for me). Apparently the suction thing happens a lot with the Diva because the suction holes are too small (other posters have detailed how you can enlarge the holes)

How close are you to getting your period? If it's only a couple of days out, you might just leave it in until it actually starts and you will naturally be a lot looser and more lubricated down there (not to mention that it's easier to break suction on a full/leaking cup)
Kumara: L purple innocencekumaradosha on July 3rd, 2014 03:24 pm (UTC)
Ahaha, it's WEEKS away...
zafiyyya on July 3rd, 2014 03:51 pm (UTC)
Is it still stuck?

I'm still a new cup user but found that I cannot remove my Diva Cup unless my mouth is completely relaxed and slightly open. Also, first time around, I had a hard time breaking the seal and had to wait until my cup overflowed, which made things easier. I know your period is weeks away, but this is just something to keep in mind.

Is your stem still off to one side? My cervix is slightly tilted to the left and the stem of my diva cup used to sit slightly tilted. (I now completely removed the stem) Because of this, pulling directly down during removal did not work for me. Once I get a good grip on my cup and break the seal, I must push it down diagonally, towards the right. I usually do this with my left index finger because it's easier.

I really hoped this helps! I know what it's like to get a DC stuck, even though it's harmless, the thought is unsettling the first time around.

Edited at 2014-07-03 03:53 pm (UTC)
Kumara: Mello standing alonekumaradosha on July 3rd, 2014 05:57 pm (UTC)
It is still stuck, and I think I've thrown in the towel. I can't even get any kind of grip on it to pull in the first place. I'm going to get it removed by a medical professional.
Kumara: Mello standing alonekumaradosha on July 3rd, 2014 06:03 pm (UTC)
Well, if this wasn't the most demoralizing thing... I just talked to two different urgent care centers, and neither of them do this sort of procedure. I called my OBGYN, but they don't have any openings today. I tried calling the nurse there for advice, but she wasn't at the phone. Tried calling my general physician, but everybody there is on lunch break. It's a new fiscal year, so my insurance deductible is unexpectedly high, and I'm probably going to have to pay even more to get this done at an ER.

Not to mention phones are hard for me in the first place, and nobody I've talked to outside the internet and my parents seems understanding or helpful, and I just want to cry.
cideoncideon on July 3rd, 2014 06:45 pm (UTC)
In regards to the urgent care centers, were you able to tell them how removal is normally done? I don't know if they think maybe you're talking about some kind of implanted device perhaps?

But otherwise, keep trying your OB/GYN for the next few days. Being silicone, your cup should not leech anything foul by being there a little longer. It will probably smell sour later on, but that's the cup, not your bits. Good luck!
uathannuathann on July 3rd, 2014 06:59 pm (UTC)
If you have a bathtub, you could try getting water inside your vagina. If the problem is strong suction, it might get in he cup and act as a period "overflow". Getting aroused might help too, since it will cause lubrication and widening. Good luck!
Kumara: Mello standing alonekumaradosha on July 3rd, 2014 07:44 pm (UTC)
I called my general doctor's secretary back, and she said they don't do stuff like that; go see the ER or urgent care (and of course both urgent cares I talked to turned me down). Talked to my GYN's secretary again, and she was rude again, and I eventually got her to set me up for the only opening on Monday with a random male GYN I don't know. After questioning, unsure, whether or not I thought it was wise to wait until Monday. Did I mention I have an interview on Tuesday at 11 am that's 3 hours away?

Everybody I've spoken with sounded weirded-out or abrasive.

I've started talking to my tears.
Jilajilavsthestate on July 3rd, 2014 09:47 pm (UTC)
well this is the technique i use if i cant quite reach the base of mine. i put my leg up, push down enough to reach the stem with my index finger and thumb, then pull down the stem enough for me to grab the base. after i grab the base i kind of try to concave/fold it in half it a bit. i move it side to side and just wiggle it out (it also helps if you push down wile wiggling it out). i know the divacup stem is kinda short though, so it might not help as much.
missyjeanbee on July 4th, 2014 01:03 am (UTC)
Metal tongs? Use some oil or lube of some kind to heavily moisten everything. Someone before used a crochet hook to slide up, hook the rim, and break suction. Definitely relax, squat, and push.
Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on July 4th, 2014 01:10 am (UTC)
I think the reason you are having so much trouble is because you are rushing the removal process. You are also panicking, which makes you clench, which makes the cup go deeper, which makes it harder to get, which makes you panic more... And it's snowballing. Think of this as one of those Chinese finger traps. The harder you pull, the tighter it gets.

Take deep breaths, keep your jaw slack. If you don't already, drop your panties to your ankles so you can splay your knees comfortably. Bear down and "push" the cup down as best you can with your muscles. Insert your finger along the soft back side of your vag to create an air channel. The idea is to get air into/above your cup so it doesn't create suction on its way down. If your finger doesn't fit, that's where the spoon comes in. Use that instead. Whether the air seeps in slowly through the (tiny) anti-suction holes or whooshes over the rim doesn't matter. Stay calm. Stay relaxed. DON'T RUSH THIS STEP.

Once you can reach the stem or the base, grab hold as best you can and wiggle the cup down. If you feel suction, don't let the cup creep back up. Create another air channel, get more air into/above the cup and then wiggle it down some more. Repeat as necessary.

Once the rim gets near the entrance, rock it out at an angle so it's not "the whole rim" at once.

Since you apparently have a long vag, it's a good thing you got a Diva, which is one of the longest bodied cups. Imagine trying to fish out a tiny short one.

Once you've got the Diva out, use something like a piercing or dermal punch to enlarge the 4 (tiny) anti-suction holes. A punch will probably leave a less ragged hole than scissors or a drill bit. The holes on the cup with the largest holes are 2mm.
terriqat on July 4th, 2014 06:19 am (UTC)
is there a way for you to get your knees further back while you are lying on your back? You want something like the preferred hospital birth position, which is functionally a squat on your back. Would something like this: http://www.amazon.com/Norpro-Nonstick-Stainless-Locking-Tongs/dp/B001FB59VS/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1404454478&sr=8-8&keywords=kitchen+tongs help? You can also get ones with silicone ends to protect your insides. You can fin them at any store with a kitchenware dept, possibly including your local grocery store.
Jennnakedfaery on July 4th, 2014 08:53 am (UTC)
I have such a high cervix that I have to basically squat to get my cup out.

My suggestion would be to squat with your legs as far apart as is comfortable, put a towel underneath you and push down like you're trying to poop. I have a cervix that cups very easily suction to. It's tough because I have a long narrow vagina, but I have to get my index finger and thumb in there and pinch the base of the cup. Then I tilt the cup to once side and sort of wiggle it from side to side.</p>

I really hope you can get it sorted! x

Kumara: Mello bizarre starekumaradosha on July 4th, 2014 07:38 pm (UTC)
Oh my gosh. PRAISE THE LORD. I GOT IT OUT ON MY OWN.

But.

YOU WERE NOT KIDDING ABOUT THE SOUR SMELL. I was nauseated from it just trying to work it out! And when it came out, the most rancid-smelling, pink-with-blood after-birth gushed out after it! I was on my bed without any sort of guard, because I did not expect that at all, and it soaked all the way to my mattress! I'm still nauseated from it, and I'm shaking. My poor aunt and I immediately disposed of my sheets (they were getting worn out anyway) and washed everything else thoroughly, and I took a shower.

I'm going to have to think really hard about putting that thing in again when I'm on my period, because...that was pretty nearly traumatizing. I'm not even really grossed-out by my period. I work in surgery. But that. That was vile.

I'm not exactly sure what was the thing that got it out this time. Probably a combination of a lot of things. Initially, I was so tight down there, it was hard to even fit two fingers or a spoon in. And I was sensitive, even on the inside. But after trying so many times, I stretched out a bit and got more comfortable with using more force on myself--being rougher and more deliberate with the spoon and my fingers and pushing harder and not shying away when I felt the pain of the suction on my cervix. Note: the scoop end of the spoon did no good, but the handle was actually helpful.

I also kept at it longer and held out with more patience. I had to push so hard over and over again, but once I got the bulb tentatively and slippery between my middle and ring fingers, I knew I couldn't give up that advantage. And I just pulled and pushed for so long... I pretty much LITERALLY gave birth to that thing.

And finally, this was the only time I had a disposable cup of water at my bedside to wet my fingers and spoon. I don't own any sort of lube, so I hadn't been using anything until that point. The lubrication allowed me to keep trying for longer without drying up my vagina as much and irritating it.

I'm still shaking, and I can't get that smell out of my nose and memory. I'm going to go cancel my doctor's appointment. And buy more sheets. And try to regain my appetite and libido.

Thank you all so much for your help!
elisamba on July 5th, 2014 08:25 am (UTC)
Wow what a story, but glad you were able to do it on your own. This is IMO a good illustration of why dry runs are not good for beginners. Your cervix moves higher during ovulation (could it be your case?). You're less lubricated. And there is no flow entering the cup to lessen suction on removal. All that to say - on your period, it could be easier: lower cervix, more lubrication, and a full cup. But don't try again until you feel mentally ready. Reading around on this site should help you see you're not alone, and give you tips. :)
I also felt like a was "giving birth" to my cup the first time I removed it. It took about an hour. Now it takes about 10 seconds, but it is still not as fast as a tampon.
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Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on July 5th, 2014 02:13 pm (UTC)
Now that it's out, look into enlarging the tiny anti-suction holes around the rim. They help with popping open and with breaking the seal for removal. Something like a dermal punch will probably leave a less ragged hole than a drill bit or scissors. Something in the 1.5 to 2mm range would be ideal.
Kumarakumaradosha on July 6th, 2014 04:20 am (UTC)
Will do.

But where would I get such a thing?
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