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25 March 2014 @ 02:29 pm
Hello, I have been doing research on all sorts of cups and have decided that the Lunette sounds like the best option for me. I do have a concern.

I have nerve damage in both of my hands which has weakened my ability to pinch and grasp. I'm a little nervous about getting the cup in place, but not being able to remove it because I can't grasp it well enough. How much pressure is required to pull? Can I tie a string on the stem to be sure that I can get it out the first few times? Do you have any suggestions?
 
elisamba on March 25th, 2014 07:52 pm (UTC)
You can't tie a string on the Lunette. Also, it is a firm cup and definite needs a good grip to get out. The Melunas with a ring stem claim the string thing is possible, but I have heard of the silicone breaking.

The best comparison I can think of is, you need about as much pressure to remove a cup as removing a suctioned item from a bathroom wall, if that makes sense.

Sometimes my cup's stem leaves little indentations on my fingers, so that gives you an idea how hard I grip the stem!

If you have found your cervix and it is high enough, maybe a Femmycycle would be a good option for you, since there is no pinching involved, only pulling the sturdy loop.
salijackt01 on March 25th, 2014 11:27 pm (UTC)
The suction cup thing helps, I couldn't think of anything to compare it to, the other question is, how thick is the stem of the Lunette? The thinner something is, the harder it is to pinch. For example, I can barely pull a piece of paper out of someone's hands by pinching, but I can pull a pencil much easier.

I swore somewhere I saw a link where you could buy MeLuna in the United States, but now all I can find are sites that sell only to Europe. Does anyone happen to have that link?
Luceafaraluceafara on March 26th, 2014 03:06 am (UTC)
Meluna.org -> clik on the Union Jack for English.
salijackt01 on March 26th, 2014 04:13 am (UTC)
It says they cannot sell to the United States?
Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on March 26th, 2014 12:19 pm (UTC)
Their site is misleading. What they mean is that they cannot sell WHOLESALE to a US distributor and therefore we individual customers cannot buy a MeLuna from a US distributor. However, we can buy individual pieces for personal use either directly from MeLuna or from any number of other distributors around the world.

(Written pre-coffee. I hope it makes sense.)
Luceafaraluceafara on March 26th, 2014 11:27 pm (UTC)
Not sure where it says that on their site, but here's a post that describes why resellers can not buy cups from the EU store at the moment:
http://menstrual-cups.livejournal.com/3232215.html

And here is one explaining sales tax, prices, etc.:
http://menstrual-cups.livejournal.com/3109919.html

Edited at 2014-03-26 11:30 pm (UTC)
Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on March 25th, 2014 08:34 pm (UTC)
When you say you've been doing research, have you looked at the size and capacity charts at http://sizecharts.livejournal.com/ or any of the others at the Community FAQ? Or have you just been reading sales hype and "I love/hate my XYZ" here?

It doesn't matter whether or not we love our cups. Pick the one that you think will fit YOU and suit your needs best.

As for the Lunette, the small is similarly squishy to the others in that size range. The large, however is a fairly stiff-bodied cup. There are pros and cons to stiff/squishy. There are also pros and cons to pointy vs blunt so consider shape as part of your choice as well.
salijackt01 on March 25th, 2014 11:20 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestions! It is especially good to know that the small is squishier than the large. That is one thing I was a bit concerned about, because the squishiness rating (http://menstrualcups.wordpress.com/2009/07/24/squishiness-ratings/) said that the Large was sort of in the middle as far as squishy goes.

When I say research, I mean I've been reading all sorts of super helpful things on this site and on blogs about menstrual cups that review multiple cups and explain why they like/dislike certain cups (as opposed to reviewers who seem to have tried one and either hate it or love it).

By the way, as a virgin who has never really used tampons, I REALLY appreciate the virgin guide!

Edited at 2014-03-25 11:21 pm (UTC)
sunshinein321 on March 25th, 2014 08:34 pm (UTC)
I'm not trying to convert you to using a different cup, but I have a Si-Bell that is super soft and has a very long stem. I *technically* can just grasp the end of the stem (it's sticking out a little bit if untrimmed), and pull on it while bearing down on the cup. I only say technically because it may take longer than grasping the base of the cup and I'm not sure how long the stem will last if it's always pulled during removal.

I would definitely NOT recommend tying a string to the stem though. You may just need to research cups with longer stems.
salijackt01 on March 25th, 2014 11:19 pm (UTC)
The Si-Bell is one I haven't read about, I will look into it, thanks!
denisecarpetfish on March 26th, 2014 04:04 am (UTC)
The Si-bell is a good cup. The stem is nice and bumpy, but it's a rather thin one...I don't know if it would be hard to grasp for you?

Of my cups, I find my Meluna with ring easiest to grasp (plus there is the option of threading a string through for insurance, at least in the beginning).
pinkydoodler on March 25th, 2014 11:49 pm (UTC)
I second the recommendation of the Si-Bell, especially for a virgin or first-timer. The softness and extra long stem is very reassuring.

When removing a Si-Bell I bear down, lightly grasp the stem with my left hand and then slip one finger from the right hand (lightly lubed) inside and break the suction near the rim. Not much strength or dexterity needed and no fear of the stem breaking; the cup just slides all the way to the entrance and partially out especially if you lubed, and you can take your time to remove your right finger, dry the base of the cup with tissue, release your left hold to grab the base of the cup, fold it or remove it whatever way you like.

One thing i forgot to mention I liked about the Si-Bell are the four ridges along the sides of the cup. If you fold the cup along those ridges, the cup is folds easier and requires a less firm grip to stay folded, making it easier when inserting.

Edited at 2014-03-26 12:02 am (UTC)
Luceafaraluceafara on March 26th, 2014 03:04 am (UTC)
I third the Si-bell recommendation for all the above-mentioned reasons.
Ashatenlegspider on March 25th, 2014 09:20 pm (UTC)
When you get a cup, you might want to put it in a champagne glass to practice breaking suction without any danger of getting it stuck inside you. Your fingers will be at a different angle when you use it properly, but at least you'll know exactly what you have to do with them.
salijackt01 on March 25th, 2014 11:20 pm (UTC)
I don't have champagne glasses (don't drink), I'm trying to think of other things of similar diameter that I could try...
pinkydoodler on March 25th, 2014 11:56 pm (UTC)
A long narrow jar might work, you know the type they sell with fancy jams or the type with capers/olives?
Ashatenlegspider on March 26th, 2014 08:12 am (UTC)
You might also see one in a thrift store if you go to them. Could be worth spending a dollar or whatever if you haven't found something else.
salijackt01 on March 26th, 2014 02:33 pm (UTC)
Would a flower vase work? We have several small/thin ones laying about.
salijackt01 on March 26th, 2014 04:54 am (UTC)
I will try to explain my reason for the Lunette and see if you guys think that the MeLuna or the Si-Bell would work.

I'm 27, 5 foot tall (152 cm) and overweight. I have been doing Kegel exercises for a long time because I had incontinence when I sneezed or coughed as a kid (I was doing them before I knew what they were!).

I prefer not to wear tampons. I never felt comfortable with them, they always felt uncomforable. I seem to have a fairly short vagina, because longer tampons seem to rub the opening which gives that dry feeling. Long ones, I can actually push out of me fairly easily. When I tried the exploration that the sizing guide recommended, I could easily touch my clitoris (I think that is what I felt anyway) with my index finger. If I bore down, it was probably about 2 inches from the opening. As far as tampons go, the thickness doesn't matter near as much as the length.

As far as heaviness of flow, I have been diagnosed Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome. I'm on birth control as an attempt to regulate my periods, but it doesn't really work. I wear pads and my flow can vary from a few drops on a pantyliner to flooding an overnight pad in less than an hour during the day. I doubt I can use a cup successfully on these super heavy days, but fortunately, they only come once a year or so. More typical is to have 7 or so days once or twice a month with a light to moderate flow, then every three or four months a heavier period of a few days to a week. Then the once a year "I'm never coming out of the bathtub because I'm going to bleed through anything I put on anyway" week or more.

So in addition to the ability to grab the stem, I also am a bit concerned about length and capacity. This is why I liked the Lunette, it seems to be relatively short, but still holds a fair amount. It is in the middle on the squishiness scale, so hopefully I can pinch it to fold it and pinch it to release, while still allowing it to pop out after inserted. I like the fact that it has ribbing on the stem, but doesn't have a big huge rib on the cup, and minimal pattern to irritate. Another bonus is that multiple places have noted that it is easy to clean, which is something I would like.
pinkydoodler on March 26th, 2014 03:52 pm (UTC)
I can't speak for how it would perform for a low cervix person, but I know Si-Bell covers the following points:

1) Much squishiness (Easy to fold it and reasonably ok to pop)
2) Ball and discs on stem very helpful to grip, might be a bit thin
3) No grips on the cup itself, no irritation
4) Whole cup is smooth, no writing, holes are large, I can vouch it is easy to clean, nothing gets trapped anywhere.

The Si-Bell small has about 20ml capacity, which is around the same as a small Lunette. The Large Si-Bell has 30ml capacity. which is more than the large Lunette's 26ml according to sizecharts. http://sizecharts.livejournal.com/

I hope that helps
Luceafaraluceafara on March 26th, 2014 11:58 pm (UTC)
Unfortunatley, I cannot speak to the Lunette, because I have never held or used one.
I agree with pinkydoodler in everything they stated about the Si-bell, andwould like to add :
- The silicone the Si-bell is made out of, is the type of silicone that makes everything roll right off. But then, all cups are easy to clean.
- To my knowledge, as per reports on here, the Si-bell and Natu are the only cups that can be pulled out by the stem, without prior pinching of the base. Because of the design, this does not hurt, as it would with some of my other cups that suction on like there's no tomorrow.

I own a ton of other cups that I would recommend if it weren't for your hand issues. I love all my cups, so I am not recommending the Si-bell because that's the only one iI know. It's just the only one that I have tried that also would be fitting your requirements.
The soft Melunas that I have don't open quite as easily (no problem for me, but they require a tad more fidgeting in the beginning, except the small mini, which opens easily for me, but not for others, per some comments on here).

I just tried the C-fold with all my cups, while keeping my hand slack/weak, and the Si-bell is the only one that stayed folded up on the first try. I tried: Si-bell/Natu S, Meluna soft: S, M, Mini S, Mini M, Rubycup, Mamicup S, Fleurcup S, Eco-cup size 1 and 2, Sckoon S.

Some cups that may work for you but that I do not own, so check the size charts and user comments by clicking on the respective tags on the right:
-Gaia cup (extremely soft, long)
- Luv Ur Body (soft, long)
I would toally get these if I did not have a low cervix, because they look lovely. The benefit of those is the very high capacity.

On the bottom of the following page are two really useful videos that identify the softest of the cups. Captions are in Italian (taglia=size, morbido/-a=soft):
https://www.coppetta-mestruale.it/comparativo_coppette_mestruali.php

Also wanted you to know that wearing a cup can prevent stress incontinence (when you sneeze, jump, etc.).

ETA: I think you meant you cervix is 2 inches in, not your clitoris, right?

Edited at 2014-03-27 12:07 am (UTC)
salijackt01 on March 27th, 2014 02:51 am (UTC)
Yes! Cervix! That could be a problem if it were my Clitoris! Yikes!

I actually no longer have stress incontinence, when I was little, I used to cross my legs when I sneezed, blew my nose, etc. but as I grew older, I learned how to flex the muscles down there to prevent any leaks. I was mostly mentioning that to say that my muscle tone down there is probably pretty decent.

I think I'm going to buy the Si-Bell and see how it works, then I may also get the Lunette (I think it might be nice to have a back up.
Nanci Karvonen WillitsNanci Karvonen Willits on March 27th, 2014 12:00 am (UTC)
I've got nerve issues with both hands as a result of carpal tunnel syndrome. I've had the surgery to stop the pain, but I've still got the weakness. Fancy folds that want to spring open fast or easy are a struggle, I just don't have the strength to hold onto them, so insertion was more of an issue than removal. I tried Meluna, but had too many difficulties getting it to open, so i switched to a fleurcup. The punchdown was easiest for me to hold, it popped open right when i needed it to, and removal was easy, I broke the seal with the "hotdog in a bun" method, and then pulled it out with a hooked finger. I've also pulled on the stem to bring it down after its migrated up, using my thumbnail to help keep a grip on it, until I can reach the top to break the seal.
salijackt01 on March 27th, 2014 02:52 am (UTC)
Thank you so much! This is extremely helpful, because my weakness is somewhat similar to Carpal Tunnel (I actually have carpal tunnel on top of nerve damage to the ulnar nerve and something called Complex Regional Pain Syndrome).
Nanci Karvonen WillitsNanci Karvonen Willits on March 29th, 2014 09:52 am (UTC)
It's official...I know I use my thumbnail to remove my cup because I broke off way short, and now I'm struggling to hold onto the stem to get it out lol. Hope you're having better luck than I am...cup usage is not something I'm good at as a leftie! ;)