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Rachel Winona
Okay so I have a small purple Lunette with a full stem. I'm 23, virgin, probably no hymen but still pretty small. Also right now my cervix is medium I think. I can touch it with my middle finger in to about my middle knuckle, but when i do it moves up the more i put my finger in.

So put my cup in (using waterbased lube, clean cup and clean hands), used punchdown fold as when I tried different folds in my hands folds like the c fold, the , and the triangle all seemed to pop open sideways not level. Got my cup in with difficulty and both hands while sitting on the toilet. It didn't pop open, tried to turn in, didn't turn. So I put my finger up next to the cup all the way around until i found the punchdown spot, I pushed my vagina aside and the cup opened. I also made sure my cervix wasn't next to the cup when after this by doing another round with my finger. At this point the stem is sticking all the way out so I tried to push the cup in a bit and it wouldn't budge.

Questions, is it normal for the stem to stick out that far? When I put the cup in and before it has popped open is that when I should make sure the cup is up high enough? If so how do i make sure the cup pops open around my cervix and not next to it? Also how high up am I trying to put this cup? I have a heavy flow and if my small isn't large enough would a large cup pop open by putting my finger all the way around the outside of the cup as well? Is this maybe too soft of a cup for me? Why won't it twist? Does it need to twist? Once it's in will the cup move to the best place for me by itself whether or not it is suctioned? How do i tell if it suctioned?

Questions mark 2, my little sister is 10 and we are expecting her to start her period this year she is about 5"1'. We are wanting to know about cups for her. I've heard that small lunette's are good for beginners of this age and also small meluna's. If I am using a small lunette and I have to stick my finger next to it (which the cup and my finger all barely fit), how is she supposed to do the same her vagina will be smaller around. I was told that a small meluna classic would be good for her because the minis are a hassle and the classic pops open well for beginners. My worry about meluna is the material, the TPE i think its called. The only thing I know about it is read from the meluna site and as a general rule I always get more than 1 opinion about something I know nothing about. I'm not just going to trust the company who sells them to tell me the truth companies are there to make money. Also they could be telling the truth but only up to their knowledge. Like how it used to be fine to smoke and drink while pregnant, now it's not, but it was never good for you people just didn't know yet. Or their product can be super amazing, wonderful, and safe for your body, but I need more information before I get one for my 10 year old sister to stick in her vagina.

I welcome ALL help suggestions and questions, please don't be mean, and thank you all very much in advance.
Luceafaraluceafara on February 20th, 2014 02:37 am (UTC)
I can never turn my cups, so no worries if you can't make them turn.

Also, I have a low cervix, so I need to cut off all my stems, except for the Meluna ball stems and I have one intact Meluna mini with stem that I am thinking about cutting off as well. If I did not cut the stems, they would stick out of me as well.
Some people can flip their cups inside out instead of cutting off the stems, but they poke my cervix - it may work for you.

About your little sister (did you post in MC sales earlier?), the Melunas may or may not work for her, depending on where her cervix is. The good thing is that the classic (for me) do pop open so I don't have to insert a finger and double-check, but that may not be the case for her. If it were my sister, I would start her off with a Si-bell, because it fits people with low and with high cervix.

Germany is very strict when it comes to consumer protection - so I think that Meluna's TPE must be safe, or they would have never gotten permission to sell it there. The advantage of Melunas is the huge variation of shapes, firmness, colors and sizes at an affordable price, and they are made in Germany.

Edited at 2014-02-20 02:39 am (UTC)
Rachel WinonaGoobyhatter on February 22nd, 2014 07:28 pm (UTC)
So I can insert pretty well now, 7 fold, opening of the fold facing down. I have even been able to insert while on the toilet a couple of times.

What I'm worried about is suction. I can't release the suction. I pinch the bottom of the cup and nothing happens (the holes are clean). So I stick my finger up next to it and dent the side of the cup to release the suction, but this smushes the whole cup and all the fluid comes out the top makes a total mess. I emailed lunette and they said when you put your finger up to push your vagina aside to make an air channel to get into the cup and release the suction. That doesnt work i push my vagina aside and there just isnt enough room no air gets in. So i take forever gently wiggling my cup down a bit, put my finger in wiggle down some more, ect... takes a long time. I got so frusterated and freaked out I had to remove my cup and just use a pad, which resulted in leaking :( and then i was just so overwhelmed I had to use a tampon. Also i might need a larger cup for capacity. So i really need one that unsuctions by pinching the bottom, because this is rediculous and if i get a bigger cup there is no way I'm going to be able to put my finger in the let in air to unsuction and when its suctioned and i try to wiggle it out it hurts.

Any suggestions, new cup, everything is appriciated
Luceafaraluceafara on February 23rd, 2014 03:11 am (UTC)
I answered at the bottom in regards to other cups, but now wonder, did you keep it pinched for about 10 seconds? Did you try to push it out with your inner muscles? If that did not work, did you try to relax your muscles? Some people recommend just trying to get one corner out diagonally at first, but it sounds like that's what you tried to do.
It's just a learning curve - it could be that you are just so nervous that your vagina is literally clamping down on it. If it won't come out right away, and you have time to spare (as in, you are not about to leave your house for the work day or something), just try again later, try it in the shower, when you are relaxed, etc.
Rachel WinonaGoobyhatter on February 24th, 2014 09:20 pm (UTC)
So since I'm new and used to tampons I thought that cups should just pull out like tampons 2, they take like 5 seconds to take out. The cup was taking longer so i thought i was having issues, turns out they just take a little longer to take out is all. I wasn't hear the release of suctions sound so i thought the cup wasn't releasing. Also a couple of times I put my finger up release the seal and accidently suctioned the cup so that when i pulled down it hurt my cervix. I just assumed that the cup was suctioned every time. Also when the cup gets to the opening it was pulling on my hymen (stretched out but still there i now see) and it hurt a bit so i thought that was another time that suction was hurting my cervix, but it wasn't. I'm learning so thats great, but i seem to have a new problem every few days lol.

New problem, I don't think my cup is sealing anymore. So originally my cup was hard to pop open because I didn't push it in enough and I didn't know better. Then when I pushed it in a bit more it popped open on its own, I started using the 7 fold facing down and it popped open easy every time. Now its not popping open so well and when i get it opened I'm not sure its sealed well. I'm having the feeling that the process of figuring out how to use my cup has stretched out my vagina a bit and now the cup is too small. I don't know for sure how ever. So the cup is not popping open well, so i put my finger under it pushed againts my vagina to give it room to pop open. It takes a few trys but then it works. When my cup is popped open i press on it with my finger to make sure there isn't alot of give so i know the cup has sealed (not hard enough to unseal or cause the cup to suction). Now when i do that the cup has more give than it used to and i seem to be leaking. So i take the cup out thinking its full and there is only fluid up to the grip lines at most. This is not fluid already in my lower vagina because this happens when i sleep so it takes awhile, also when i takes the cup out its all over the side of the cup. So i thought maybe my cup is next to my cervix and tried to pop it a little lower and push it up, but the same thing happened. I also don't think its new to my cervix because when it was the cup wouldn't pop open no mater what I did, there wasn't room.
Sorry this is so long and thank you so much :)
super top secret7deadlysins on February 20th, 2014 02:44 am (UTC)
I have to stick a finger inside to get the cup to pop open, too. Then I usually gently push it further in (think about pushing it "back" rather than "up", like toward your tailbone) while doing a few sets of kegels to get it in place. If the stem sticks out, you'll want to cut it shorter. I had to take the stem completely off my cup because I could feel it poking no matter how short I cut it. Good luck! I got pretty discouraged the first couple times I tried to use my cup, but once you get the hang of it, you'll never want to use anything else, haha.

Sorry I don't have any advice for your sister. It's good that she has a caring big sister to help her out though! 10 seems young to get your period! I was 13 when mine started. :p

Edited at 2014-02-20 02:45 am (UTC)
Luceafaraluceafara on February 20th, 2014 02:49 am (UTC)
I was 9, in school, and unprepared. Shudder :(
super top secret7deadlysins on February 20th, 2014 02:54 am (UTC)
oh nooo :( that's rough. My first period arrived magically overnight, so I lucky enough to be able to deal with it in the morning before school.
Rachel WinonaGoobyhatter on February 20th, 2014 04:27 am (UTC)
So I was just not inserted my cup far enough, I got some info from people on twitter and they said you can just push it back a little farther and it pops open. I was putting the cup just inside, then popping it open. I got the whole cup in including stem. My cervix may be sitting in it I dont know, my period is like nonexistant the first day sometimes just discharge.
Thanks, i get anxious and feel like i need to know everything or things wont work and sometimes I just need a little patients and trial and error a bit. Yes that was me who posted about the meluna's earlier.

I have been avoiding the Si-bell's a bit, because it's one of the few i haven't researched and thats how you pronouce my moms name lol, well close i think. (cybele prounounced su bell) short u sound like in tub.
juliiie87juliiie87 on February 20th, 2014 03:05 pm (UTC)
Forget about twisting the cup AND PLEASE don't get the tiniest teeniest cup for your sister, unless you're prepared to manually extract a tiny cup from the back of her vagina (only half joking here), as cups tend to migrate and sit next to the cervix for most people. If she's not prepared to insert a finger inside her vagina to find out where her cervix is, which is totally understandable at this point, well I'm sorry to say cups may not be for her just yet... removal does involve grabbing the base of the cup inside no matter how you put it. I'm not suggesting she sticks with disposables, god no, I do find cloth pads are a won derful alternative, heaps more fun and comfy to use than the dreadful disposable kind I started with back when I first had my period. And if I had to get a cup for my younger sister, personnally, I would get her a small Cuplee, because the large Cuplee was my first and my goldilocks cup, so soft and gentle with it's V-shape, and a long stem to not completely loose it. I hear the small Sckoon is also soft and gentle but somehow a bit closer to the small Lunette in terms of springiness. Both come in gorgeous colors too.

Side note about folds : while the punch-down fold seems nifty in your hands, I could never get it to work with any of my softer cups, it's just not a good fold for me, too much relying on hoping the cup will somehow find air to suck on in the depth of your vagina to magically pop open on its own. I much prefer folds that I cna manually help pop open, such as the half diamond and labia fold : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt6L-POE-b0

I know you had many questions, feel free to ask me if they haven't been answered yet! :)
Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on February 21st, 2014 01:50 pm (UTC)
Throw the instructions away and forget that you ever saw them. Despite what the instructions say and illustrations show, ANY cup will/should eventually settle (O) around your cervix. The height of the base of the cup (or stem) will be relative to the length of your vagina and the length of the cup/stem. The base of the cup should sit comfortably above your pelvic floor. If it is too long, it will feel like it's trying to poke through and escape. If it is too short, you'll have a heckuva time reaching it for removal.

A method that works for many is to open the cup down low and then once it's fully open, to give the cup a boost up and into place.

For your sister, there is no such thing as a "beginner's" cup. Analogy: Even though you have size-7 feet, would you buy size-5 dancing shoes because you've never taken dancing lessons before? Similarly, she should pick a cup that she thinks will fit/suit her. Yeah, she'll probably want a narrow one -- but don't be afraid of length if she thinks she'll need it. She should also be comfortable with the concept/act of insertion before diving into any internal product.

There are size/capacity charts at the Community FAQ to compare the different brands. There are also comparison photos for shape. The flared rims on the US and UK Moon Cups have proven troublesome for some new cup users. She might want to avoid those.
missmojorisin71missmojorisin71 on February 22nd, 2014 02:54 am (UTC)
This is more for the second part of your post about your sister!

I have a friend who's daughter started her period within the last year and she started with a Diva cup only because it's what was available at a local store. I think the experience may have freaked her daughter out a little because she got very frustrated with insertion. She's used tampons and is pretty familiar and comfortable with her anatomy now, but still felt the Diva was very uncomfortable because of how hard it is. She has a cervix that is neither abnormally high or hides, nor does she have a low (hanging) cervix. She's also a ballerina, and so her body moves in every different direction, and she needs to feel confident with her cup in order to wear it when doing ballet.

Her mom bought her a SckoonCup size 1 and although it was a learning curve for her, it now works really well with no leaking, which was a factor for her when considering a cup.

I think the most important part of choosing a cup is first and foremost learning how your own anatomy works and how it's shaped. Locating the cervix is pretty important, too. Once a beginner can get the right fold(s) down and feel relaxed and comfortable with insertion and taking it out, it's usually pretty apparent at that point if the cup is actually the right "fit" for your shape! The vagina, uterus and cervix all can change overtime and what worked 10 years ago might not work today!
Luceafaraluceafara on February 23rd, 2014 12:42 am (UTC)
In regards to your last post: Si-bell and Natu are so pliable, that you can take them out by pulling at the stem. Never had a problem inserting/removing. Fleurcup needs to be pinched, but releases suction very easily for me.