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So I've been really excited about starting to use a menstrual cup, and wanted one with decent capacity, and also a firmer cup since I want to be able to exercise without it leaking. I'm a virgin but almost 30 so I got a Large Lunette. It took me some time to work up the courage to actually get it all the way in, but now it's pretty easy, and once it's actually in I can't feel it at all and it works great. The problem now is removal.

I've read up on all the tips for breaking the seal, but I can't seem to get them to work. The problem is the entrance to my vagina seems tight. It's more than enough for me to insert the cup without much discomfort, and when I try to remove it I can feel the stem and feel like I'm getting a decent grip. However, I can't get my forefinger and thumb in high enough to actually pinch the base of the cup even after bearing down, and when I try and get my finger up the side to break the seal, I can feel that I'm not getting very far up, and can't feel the rim. The only way I've been able to get it out so far is by bearing down hard and then using a towel to get a good grip on the stem, and just pulling as hard as I can. It didn't really hurt coming out, but as you can imagine it was pretty messy, and not something I can really do in a public restroom.

Does the Lunette not have stronger suction than other cups and is this a matter of just getting used to the process? Or are there brands that are a similar length, but where I can basically pull the cup out if I can reach the stem, and not have to worry about having to reach high enough to break the seal? I initially started out wanting a firmer cup, but I'd be willing to go with a softer one if they tend to be easier to remove.

Apologies if this feels too similar to the previous question but I didn't want to hijack her post. Thanks!

Update
Well, I make a whole lot of awkward squeaking noises and still have to figure out how to do this without getting blood all over my hands, but I can actually do it without having to resort to a towel now. I'll just have to keep practicing :). Thanks for all the help!
 
lacrymaslave on February 6th, 2014 06:13 am (UTC)
I had similar issues when I first started, but over time I've learnt to grasp the stem with my thumb and middle finger, then slide my index finger up and try to make a dent by hooking at the base, whilst pulling down on the stem. At first I had to use one hand to hold the stem and the other to hook, but after a few times I got better at it. Hope this helps.
orange_smaug on February 7th, 2014 04:51 am (UTC)
About how far up the side of the cup are you able to get your finger when breaking the seal? It just feels like my finger doesn't get much higher than the rings at the base, and that the rest of my hand is stopped by the tissue and muscle in the way. Can you really get that much higher with relaxation of the pelvic floor muscles?
lacrymaslave on February 7th, 2014 05:35 am (UTC)
Not very far at all, I pretty much just keep hold of the stem, bear down and try to get the cup closer to the entrance as much as I can, then when I can actually grab the first section of the stem closest to the base, I get a finger up to where the grip rings are and hook at it till it comes out partially, then it's enough for me to actually pinch the base. The seall is rarely broken until then, but if the cup is full (even just a quarter or a third) it does come out much easier.
hinata42691hinata42691 on February 6th, 2014 06:15 am (UTC)
Not sure if this will help but it might be worth a try. Bear down once and grab the stem. Then, while holding on to the stem, relax the muscles but try to hold the cup where it is (this takes a bit of practice). Then bear down again and the cup should move a bit lower. Keep doing this until you can get a good grip to pinch it and wiggle it back and forth a little.
Good luck!
elisamba on February 6th, 2014 06:28 am (UTC)
It gets easier with each cycle. Have you read the virgin's guide to cups, on this site? One helpful suggestion is learning to insert a finger and relax the pelvic floor muscles at will - it can be done but takes practice.

Softer cups aren't necessarily easier to remove. Probably the holes make a bigger difference, as to how soon they let air into the cup. A medium-firm cup with large capacity I can recommend is the large Fleur. It generally comes out for me with a good push while pulling the stem at a sharp angle left or right, then I can refold it into a C before removal. My softest large-capacity cup I can also recommend is the Gaia, it is still easy to open despite being soft, but I haven't used either for sports.
orange_smaug on February 7th, 2014 04:45 am (UTC)
Yup, that definitely helped for actually inserting the cup, but not so much for removal. I've been trying to learn how to relax my pelvic floor on command, but I'm not sure if I'm really doing it right as I still can't get my fingers very far up. I guess I'll keep trying for now though, see if my technique improves at all.
elisamba on February 7th, 2014 08:46 am (UTC)
Did you try recollapsing the cup into a C half way through removal? Precious star pad's latest YT video shows how to do that. It's called something like 'how to remove your cup without pain'.
orange_smaug on February 8th, 2014 11:09 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the head's up! Once I figured out how to actually get my fingers in far enough to do that it did the trick.
Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on February 6th, 2014 01:21 pm (UTC)
It's not the cup, it's your technique. Read the replies at the removal tags for good advice. Everyone does it just a little differently so combine some of this and some of that until you come up with a method that works for you. Hang in there, you've ALMOST got it! :o)
Zzsomeone on February 6th, 2014 06:35 pm (UTC)
What I do is grab just the stem and... how to describe this... Well mine sits where the stem points kind of back, so I grab it and pull it forward and it comes loose. I use only the stem for removal, never need to pinch it.

I'm not reaching far at all though, so you results may vary.