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ladyexlibris
22 October 2013 @ 11:04 am
Hi everyone! I really hope someone can help me with this. I bought a DivaCup a year ago, and used it for several months with success. Then, for some reason all of a sudden, beginning about 6 months ago, I started having problems with it. My main problem is that it will not open all the way inside me. When I feel around it inside me, it is in an oval shape, which causes it to leak. I have tried everything! I've tried all the different folds, inserting it at different angles, and nothing works. This morning I experimented with it again for about 30 minutes with no luck. I'm getting really frustrated.

I'm also confused with the talk about the cervix. On this forum, people have mentioned having low cervixes, or the cup being up against the cervix. It was my understanding from the DivaCup diagram:




and the statement in my booklet "The DivaCup is worn low at the base of the vagina and away from the cervix."

So, which is it? In the diagram, the cervix seems pretty far away from where the cup is supposed to be.
 
mallt on October 22nd, 2013 03:09 pm (UTC)
The diagram is misleading... your vagina can be much shorter than is shown in the picture.
I have one of the shortest cups & it only just fits between the vaginal opening & my cervix.
Your cervix can move during your cycle. When I'm not on my period I cannot touch my cervix but it "drops down" to about 2" inside during my period.
Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on October 22nd, 2013 03:15 pm (UTC)
I share your frustration at those instructions and illustrations. Why, oh why, does every cup manufacturer perpetuate such a MISLEADING illustration??? They all make it seem as if the cup is TEENY, sits right at the vaginal opening and shows a cup-length or more between the rim and the cervix. For many/most of us, that is just plain WRONG!

I wish I could draw well enough to post a better representation.

I call upon others to do so.
Serpent: neutralserpent_849 on October 22nd, 2013 06:15 pm (UTC)
i think it's because with tampons there's the notion of not inserting them deep enough, and that's an attempt to emphasize that with cups inserting them too deep is much worse for many?
but yeah, even the lunette company can't explain this properly :/ their article even ends with something like this:
if you've never looked for your cervix and you don't experience leaks, you don't need to look for it. you're one of the women whose cervix is so high that it doesn't affect cup use.

um wtf??? again, if your cervix is high you'll have to bear down to remove your cup. all companies have articles about that, but nobody warns you that if you have a high cervix, you shouldn't get a tiny cup???
neetzscheneetzsche on October 22nd, 2013 10:52 pm (UTC)
My own theory is that it has to do with FDA guidelines concerning medical devices (which menstrual cups are considered to be under US law). It's been a while since I've read the specific wording, but basically, their concern is that it should not touch or "interfere" with the cervix, either because they don't want it to directly damage it, or some archaic concern about "retrograde menstruation". So in order to get around all that muck, cup companies have to say to wear it "away from the cervix".
Gluppit the prawling strangles, thereelettaria on October 24th, 2013 10:36 am (UTC)
Yes. I actually complained to the Advertising Standards Authority about Mooncup's images being massively misleading, and they decided that they were fine because no one would actually believe them. Er, that's not really how it works.
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Kelly Holdenkelly_holden on October 22nd, 2013 08:39 pm (UTC)
Thinking about what other stuff lives in the abdomen, actually, that is really not an accurate diagram anyway!
Just thought that myself. The intestines take a fair bit of space, if nothing else.

Edit: Here's the title image from Wikipedia's uterus page.

Edited at 2013-10-22 08:50 pm (UTC)
ladyexlibrisladyexlibris on October 22nd, 2013 03:31 pm (UTC)
Thanks guys, I didn't realize the cervix is so low. I'm going to try and figure out where mine is so I can properly position the cup. Could I not be putting the cup in far enough? Is that why it could be refusing to pop open?
mallt on October 22nd, 2013 03:38 pm (UTC)
I push the vagina wall away from my cup to give it room to open up & to create an air channel so the cup can "fill up" with air & therefore open.
Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on October 22nd, 2013 03:41 pm (UTC)
Try opening your cup down lower and making sure it's fully open before giving it a boost up to where it should sit. Try creating an air channel with your finger to get air into/above your cup. Try flipping the cup prior to insertion so the folded part faces the other way (that made all the difference in the world for me.) Try enlarging the teeny anti-suction holes around the rim.

For many of us, our cervix feels like it's closer to our belly button than our tailbone so try aiming the opening of your cup in that direction.
ladyexlibrisladyexlibris on October 22nd, 2013 04:58 pm (UTC)
I think I did it! I found my cervix, which is only about 2 and a half inches up. I just pushed the cup up further than I usually do, pushed against the back wall to create the air channel, and it opened up! Yay! Thanks!
Serpent: neutralserpent_849 on October 22nd, 2013 06:01 pm (UTC)
did anyone save the old illustrations from wikihow? http://www.wikihow.com/Use-a-Menstrual-Cup they now have those misleading ones as well but they used to be better. also see melissa's video about cups and cervix.
Serpent: neutralserpent_849 on October 22nd, 2013 06:08 pm (UTC)
as for the original diagram, it depicts a high cervix really. and if someone with such a high cervix used such a tiny cup, it would be very difficult to reach. it would not magically stay near the opening, it would travel up high. but the diva is not that tiny.
tjs77tsa on October 22nd, 2013 11:25 pm (UTC)
This is a very old and much different cup version but it shows placement better then anything else I have found. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Menstrual_cup_patent_1867.jpg
Dabbily Abbilyeskimoabby on October 23rd, 2013 05:25 am (UTC)
What- what?! This looks like a medieval torture device! No wonder so many women get freaked out at any mention of cups.
nemesis27nemesis27 on October 23rd, 2013 07:01 am (UTC)
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uaooo!! I don´t understand about my cervix position, I always thought that this was no important.., but I think my bladder is nearer from my vagina that in the drawing, some cups bother me for this reason.



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