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15 October 2013 @ 08:26 pm
I just bought my first cup. I am 42, never been pregnant, and have very heavy periods for the first 2 days. By heavy, I mean that I sometimes need to change a regular tampon every hour or two. After that, my flow is much lighter for the remainder of my period. I bought a large Lunette because I wanted something with a relatively high capacity since my first two days are very heavy. I just finished my first cycle with the cup.

Here is the problem:

The Lunette works perfectly once I got to day 3. I could easily go at least 7 hours, sometimes much longer, before needing to empty, and I am very satisfied with that. There was no leaking at all, no discomfort once it was in. I was very happy. HOWEVER...on the first two, very heavy flow days, I could sometimes feel it start to leak after only a couple of hours. When I check, it is starting to leak. When I remove it, it is only half full, and still well below the air holes. The outside is clean and dry. I have read certain posts here suggesting capacity might be reduced by the cervix sitting in the cup. I can't be 100% certain, but I don't think this is the issue because I think my cervix is very high. I have never been able to touch it, either during my period or in between. And while the cup moved up on its own once or twice, usually it just stays fairly low where I put it.

My question is, why can't I get more capacity out of this thing? Could the walls of my vagina just be too strong for this cup? Despite my age, I believe my pelvic muscles are very strong (I have a muscular athletic build in general), especially at the opening. Inserting the lunette was very challenging at times. I can get it in and get it to open by bearing down and creating an air channel with my finger..it won't usually just open completely on its own. The two times it migrated up, removal was tricky because it was hard to reach the base of the lunette or to even reach the stem- even with bearing down, crouching, etc.

I do notice that the cup never gets fully round. I can't fit a finger up to the rim (there is just not enough room), but the base and middle when open is more of a slightly squished oval. It is IMPOSSIBLE to rotate, as so many people seem to do. Once inside, this thing cannot be turned. I can get it higher by pushing and kegels though.

Squashing it obviously means it can hold less fluid. I thought the lunette was a fairly firm cup. Should I try something even more firm? Or would a soft cup be better (intuitively, it seems a soft cup would be even worse. It might get squashed completely flat. Or would it be better moving it higher?

What do you think? After the first couple of days, the entrance to my vagina was a little sore because I was inserting and removing it so often and it is a tight fit, and I would like to be able to go longer without emptying. That was part of my motivation in trying a cup.

Thanks in advance for any advice.
Aut viam inveniam aut faciam.infragilis on October 16th, 2013 07:02 am (UTC)
I have a Lunette too, and I have noticed that it works better for me if I get it to pop open just inside the vagina, and then just burp it and move it up. This way it catches some of the residual "slobber" I get when I remove it on my heavy days.

If it's clean and dry on the outside when you remove it, that makes me think you also might have some residual slobber going on too, especially if those first two days are your heaviest. If it was a true leak, it would have blood on the outside (I had this issue with my Keeper Mooncup leaking; the air holes are very low and it wasn't high enough capacity for me).</p>

Also, if you can't get it to pop open easily, you could try giving it a squeeze and turn.

ever so slightly obsessedscien on October 16th, 2013 07:56 am (UTC)
Yeah - I'm not really sure how it's possible to leak from over the top of the cup without getting blood on the outside of it. OP, how much blood are you leaking, is it just a streak or is it full on as-though-you-have-nothing-in bleeding?

Also for what it's worth sometimes my cup feels like it's leaking, or about to (in that I think I'm feeling warm blood coming out) but actually it's not, it's just so low that what's happening in the cup feels like it must be outside.

If you're getting soreness from lots of insertions and having trouble fitting a finger alongside the cup it might be worth giving some lube a go, just until you get used to it.
kirstin71 on October 16th, 2013 05:20 pm (UTC)
When I feel it leaking, if I can get to the bathroom right away it is just a little there at the entrance when I wipe. So at that point I empty the cup and it appears half full but dry on the outside.

If I am delayed for a while, it leaks onto the pad (I am using a pad for backup until I get the hang of this)...like when a tampon would be full and leak...more than just spotting. If it gets to that point, there is blood on the outside of the cup as well...but again it is only half full.

The lube idea is a good one for the first couple of days. I think that would help a lot. Thanks
kirstin71 on October 16th, 2013 05:12 pm (UTC)
I'll give that method a try. Perhaps there is some residual slobber hiding somewhere that slowly makes its way down.
Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on October 16th, 2013 04:30 pm (UTC)
What if you kept your large Lunette for all your other days and got something super-high capacity for your heavies? XL MeLuna? L Yuuki? L Fleurcup?

There are size and capacity charts at the Community FAQ that will help you figure out what you think would fit/suit you best.
kirstin71 on October 16th, 2013 05:25 pm (UTC)
That's what I may end up doing. I am going to try it with the lunette for another cycle first. I am hoping that my technique in opening or placement will get better, and perhaps that will help. I had never used a cup before, so it is possible that I was doing something a little wrong, especially the first couple of days.

If not, I may just look for the highest capacity cup out there. Do you think softness/firmness makes a difference? I know, at least with Meluna, they have 3 different options now for firmness.
Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on October 16th, 2013 06:05 pm (UTC)
Yeah, there's a bit of a learning curve. Actually, I usually don't suggest another cup until you've really gotten the hang of your first. That way, you'll have ironed out all of your technique kinks and have a better idea of what you might want next in terms of size, shape, etc.

The large Lunette is a fairly stiff cup and yeah, I think stiffness plays a role in comfort. If you're OK with its stiffness, then I think the classic MeLuna is similar and the sport is a little stiffer -- but double-check that with MeLuna owners.

Shape also plays a role in comfort. Pointy or blunt? Flared rim or wide bodied?

Put some thought into it. No rush, you've already got a good cup. Take your time, give it another cycle or two and then when you're absolutely sure, go for it -- or not. ;o)
juliiie87juliiie87 on October 16th, 2013 08:17 pm (UTC)
You've already got some great advice, so I can only add a few tidbits :

- Don't bother with spinning the cup, some may do it but many cup users (like myself) agree that it's difficult at best, and useless at worst, so really, what you are doing to make sure the cup unfolds sounds like plenty already. Really you're doing fantastic for a first time!

- I agree with the others that it could either be residual slobber or overflow due to your cervix stealing capacity, depending on the amount and whether there's fresh blood on the outside. I've recently removed a leaky cup : it was literally covered in blood, at least on a good third of it. You just *know* when that happens. A lot of people wear cloth pads or liners as back-up, I praised mine that day! plus the comfort of them is nothing like disposables.

- If you end up looking for another cup, I strongly recommend looking into the XL Meluna sport or the large Yuuki classic, based on what shape seems most comfortable to you. They both have perks : the material Melunas are made of is known to "mold" to the body shape more, while silicone is typically more "springy", that's mostly my experience with the soft variety, BUT a rounder bottom means more capacity away from your cervix... so it's up to you, but both are longer than the Lunette so it should help with removal as well.

Edited for typos and grammatical mistakes.

Edited at 2013-10-16 08:19 pm (UTC)
kirstin71 on October 17th, 2013 04:27 am (UTC)
Thanks, I appreciate all the advice. I will keep those two in mind if I get another cup. I could use the extra capacity, and the length would help with removal. It is a little difficult to stick my fingers in far enough when this one decides to go climbing.

I will see how next month goes. Maybe this cup will work, but if I do get a new one, I want to be sure what features I am looking for. It makes sense to master the Lunette before I try anything else.
nemesis27nemesis27 on October 17th, 2013 03:10 pm (UTC)
a soft cup
I had a problem with my fleur cup, a similar problem, and I realized that the cup it was too much firm.

try with another cup, a Large one, but softener, I recommend you the iris cup and the femmecup, I like both.

if you prefer meluna, the soft is very confortable, but the classic and sport are very hard.