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tulipan8
09 September 2013 @ 04:40 pm
Hi all,
I am new to menstrual cups. I've decided to get a Fleurcup size large.
I had a dry run with no problem inserting the cup but removal...?
When I inserted it the tip was at the very base of the vagina. I walked around for a few minutes and thought it was time to remove it but the cup has moved up so high I could just feel the base of the stem, I wasn't able to grab it enough. I tried everything, relaxing, pushing down, etc. When I managed to grab hold of the end and pulled really hard, before I could reach the base of the cup (broke my nails) but when I squeezed the base I wasn't able to break the seal so the cup moved back high again. It was like some invisible force is sucking the cup up and out of reach. It was so high up, there was no way of getting 2 fingers in to grab it.
After about an hour I managed to get to the rim and break the seal that way, still removing was difficult and the cup had blood on it from the ordeal.
Did I get the wrong size? Can anyone suggest another brand? Do I need something softer or firmer? Smaller or larger?

I have not given birth, I'm 45 and have very heavy periods. I'm slim built, taller than average, swim on a regular basis but no other exercise. Not aware of pelvic floor problems.
Thank you in advance for helping.
 
..::bella vita::..por_que_no on September 9th, 2013 03:50 pm (UTC)
It does sound like you have a high cervix--I had the same issue with the small/medium Meluna. If you don't want to look for a longer cup, you could also try what some other users have suggested, using a piercing drill or something (I'm not sure of the proper name for it) to enlarge the suction holes at the rim so it doesn't give you such strong suction.

If you decide to get a longer cup and want great capacity, I've heard good things about the XL Meluna and the NaturalMamma...feel free to look at the size charts and ask around! Welcome!
tulipan8tulipan8 on September 9th, 2013 07:13 pm (UTC)
size
Thanks for your input!
If the suction holes are larger does that mean it won't travel up as high? I'm afraid of trying the fleurcup again in case it gets stuck...... honestly it was torture removing it, getting hold of the stem was almost impossible. I think a longer cup might work better. I looked at the lilycup but not sure which size to go for.
I will check the ones you recommended too.
..::bella vita::..por_que_no on September 9th, 2013 09:27 pm (UTC)
Re: size
I have a Lily and am quite happy with it (smaller size though--luckily my flow isn't extremely heavy). Off the top of my head I think the capacity of the larger size is 25ml, so it's not the biggest, but if you're looking for a cup for lighter days it might be perfect. It does take a bit of wiggling for me to break the suction, since it has a different design and no suction holes at the rim, but the cup is long enough that I can get to the base and pinch it pretty easily.
tulipan8tulipan8 on September 11th, 2013 11:01 pm (UTC)
Re:
Hey thanks again
I might try the lily size small as well, it appeals to me as it has no rim, maybe it won't be put under so much pressure/suction and won't ride up so insanely high. Will post an update once I tried again.... no more dry runs.
..::bella vita::..por_que_no on September 12th, 2013 10:56 pm (UTC)
Great, I hope you have better luck with the Lily! When I had my Melunas even the spoon trick didn't help (because I couldn't get more than one finger up there to grab the ring stem, and the ring on those is not big enough to loop a finger through, like on the Femmycycle...and once you take the spoon out it would sucker onto my cervix again!). I really just needed a longer cup and the Lily is as long as they get.
Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on September 9th, 2013 04:46 pm (UTC)
Tee hee, that invisible force was suction. ;o)

IGNORE the instructions and illustrations about a cup sitting down low. For most of us, that's just plain wrong. Most cups will settle (O) around the cervix and the base of the cup will be relative to the length of the cup and the length of your vagina.

Also, most vaginas "get shorter" when you're having your period versus on dry runs.

The idea is to get air into/above the cup to both get it to open up and to break the seal for removal. Next time, try squatting in the tub. That will bring the cup lower and you don't have to worry about making a mess if it's full.

Don't buy another cup yet. Chances are that you can adjust your technique to be able to remove the cup that you already have. Try using your finger to create an air channel on the soft back side of your vag to get air up there. If it truly gets "stuck," a spoon is often a good tool. Most importantly, stay calm and DON'T RUSH! Sometimes it's a SLOW process -- especially in the beginning. (And occasionally thereafter.)

But if you do eventually want another longer cup, check out the various size charts at the Community FAQ.
tulipan8tulipan8 on September 9th, 2013 07:23 pm (UTC)
longer cup
Thank you so much for helping.
I phoned a couple of places that sell menstrual cups, one told me I must have inserted it too high, the other said I should go for a smaller cup as I might have strong muscles ad that's why the cup moves up so high, if the cup was smaller in diameter than it would sit lower.... hmm not sure what to make of all this.
I'm too scared to try the fleurcup again, I thought I would have to go the emergency room to get it removed. It was seriously stuck. I was squatting & pushing down by the way and could barely feel the stem.
I am determined to give it a proper go and find one that fits. Is it possible that I won't find a suitable one???
Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on September 9th, 2013 07:32 pm (UTC)
Re: longer cup
You're just in the dreaded learning curve and you will eventually figure out how to remove that and any cup. As I said, a spoon is a good tool. A small pair of kitchen tongs might be too.

Use the size charts at the Community FAQ to compare dimensions of other brands of cups. Also follow the links to side-by-side photos of those that you think you might fit better. But if you're afraid to use the cup that you have, then you'll probably be equally afraid of another.
tulipan8tulipan8 on September 11th, 2013 10:42 pm (UTC)
Re:
Thank you for replying.
I will persevere with it. I wonder how a spoon would help in getting the cup out? Is it with the handle to press on the side and break the seal?
The reason I'm afraid to try again is because I couldn't get the cup down enough, I could just feel the very tip while I tried the hardest pushing it down in a squatting position.
I will enlarge the suction holes before the next attempt.
Dabbily Abbilyeskimoabby on September 9th, 2013 10:33 pm (UTC)
Do keep in mind that most cervixes move lower while you're on your period. I did a dry run when I first got my mooncup a few months ago, and I had to go to my doctor to get it removed. However, when I actually got my period, I put it back in, and had no problem getting it out again after it settled in to place.
Also, from what I've heard, divacups are great for people with high cervixes.
Good luck!
tulipan8tulipan8 on September 11th, 2013 10:33 pm (UTC)
Thank you!
ohh the dreaded doctor..... it wouldn't be pleasant to visit my doctor explaining what I've done if the cup got stuck, especially if there was a spoon stuck with it as well..... you've got to laugh really.
Encouraging to hear your story, hope I'll have the same good experience once my period arrives and I try the cup again, think I will enlarge the suction holes slightly on the fleurcup and probably get another one which is longer just to see the difference.
Dabbily Abbilyeskimoabby on September 12th, 2013 02:43 am (UTC)
Ha! I think the spoon would be pretty easy to get out on your own :P Good luck!
trejoytrejoy on September 10th, 2013 12:11 am (UTC)
I have to agree with everyone saying it will be better during your flow. Dry runs have consistenty produced stronger suction, no matter which cup I wore. Many of us have experienced that "oh my gosh, it won't come out!" sensation. Making sure you get air inside the cup once it unfolds before you release it will decrease the strength of suction markedly.
tulipan8tulipan8 on September 11th, 2013 10:24 pm (UTC)
Thank you! Getting air inside the cup before it is released sounds like great advice, will give it a go. I must admit I'm pretty scared to try again, but won't give up.
true. | sencillohalodrag on September 10th, 2013 02:30 am (UTC)
hey! i'm new to this, too, but i found this awesome sizechart that was really helpful. maybe it can help you, too: http://sizecharts.livejournal.com/
tulipan8tulipan8 on September 11th, 2013 10:20 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the info and link, Ive been searching for it but couldn't find it anywhere. I won't give up yet..... I wonder if there are people who really cant use cups because of their body shape?
true. | sencillohalodrag on September 11th, 2013 10:33 pm (UTC)
i have the same body type, flow, and cervix length (higher than usual). i bought the sckoon large just yesterday. i know everyone is different but if it would be helpful at all, i can give you an update on fit?
tulipan8tulipan8 on September 11th, 2013 10:48 pm (UTC)
Thanks, update would be great, I've been checking out the sckoon as well but was afraid to get it because of the length.
Have you used a cup that you weren't happy with in the past?
true. | sencillohalodrag on September 11th, 2013 11:45 pm (UTC)
nope, it's my first cup, but i couldn't find one bad review for it so it seems like it works for lots of different body types. i was initially worried about the height but i ordered a size bigger than recommended for me to prevent movement. we'll see how that goes.

have you tried measuring your cervix depth during period time? if you end up having problems on your next try, knowing that kind of info would help a lot in finding a new cup.
my1cherry on September 11th, 2013 03:23 pm (UTC)
I have the same exact problem!
I have the exact problem as OP. Currently I have a small Lunette and a large Lily Cup. Both of them are comfortable (the Lunette is more squishy but I don't think it makes a difference in terms of being comfy) and once they are in I feel nothing with no leakage. However, both cups move too high up and I can barely touch the stems (both for dry run and during period), albeit it's easier with the Lily Cup since it's longer than the Lunette. Plus it's impossible to put two fingers in there to pinch and release the suction. The best I can do is putting one finger deep in to release the suction and then two fingers grabbing the end of the stem. But the process takes a while and it's a struggle to get the thing out!

I bought the large Lily Cup because it's currently the longest in the market. I can find the stem easier since it's longer but the suction is huge. In addition, I found it's easier to grip the stem of the Lunette - The stem of the Lily Cup is too thick. Anyways, I punched three holes on the Lily Cup and see if they will help. Honestly I am very afraid to try it again since I almost went to see my OBGYN to get it removed.

How can I use a spoon (as suggested) to help with the removal if it's stuck?

Also, I am thinking of punching another hole at the end of the stem to insert a string for easy removal (just like a tampon's string). Is this a good idea?
tulipan8tulipan8 on September 11th, 2013 10:10 pm (UTC)
Re:
Hi
I wasn't going to try the cup again after my ordeal but all the encouragement from the other users I think I will give it a go (no more dry runs, waiting for the day)
When I used Fleurcup I couldn't feel it inside which was a surprise as it's kind of large so I wasn't worried till I went to get it out and I couldn't even reach the tip. I not only broke my nails but thought I would break my wrist too.
When I try it next time I think I might attach fishing line to it somehow. Not sure about regular string......
The spoon removal technique I'm not sure about, I suppose need to do some magic with it.
The gynaecologists use speculum to check the cervix so maybe the handle of a spoon could help to break the seal? Also help to get it out somehow.
When I tried to get my finger next to the cup it only went further up and even more out of reach. The rim on the cup I have is quite firm, maybe thats why it kept on going further up all the time. I was thinking of trying the Lily cup because its smother and no rim on the top. I'm worried now cause you say the suction was huge. From what I understand by all the kind responses is that you have to let air in after it popped open but before you let go of it.
I will post something after I had another go.
Good luck
juliiie87juliiie87 on September 12th, 2013 12:29 pm (UTC)
Re: I have the same exact problem!
With the spoon : I would use one with an extra long handle, slide the handle between the cup and your wall and press against the side of the cup : that should release the seal. or try to scoop it out using the spoon part ? I haven't tried that but I assume it's similar as inserting a finger between the cup and your wall, it releases the seal.
my1cherry on October 2nd, 2013 06:25 pm (UTC)
Update
I tried the Lily Cup again and it was still hard to remove (albeit easier after I punched a few air holes). The problem is with the stem being too thick and short, and I keep pinching my inner walls while I am trying to grab the stem. So I punched another hole on the stem and finally pulled a string through it. In fact, this solves the problem. However, this adds extra inconveniences when using menstrual cup.

I wish the manufacturers can design a cup that has an extra extra long stem. It's better to be on the longer side than the shorter side since people can always cut it shorter.