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I've googled my concerns and used the search bar for this community but couldn't find much (anything). But if this question has already been asked and answered please direct me to that post.

My problem is pretty straight forward, the subject line describes it all really. Is my cup not placed right? How come it doesn't leak when.. you know.. I'm not peeing?

I have a small Divacup with 3/4 of the stem cut off. I just turned 18 (about to start university- and a virgin chyeaa!), and even though I've had my cup for about a year now, insertion/removal was so painful that I put off practicing until my last period before moving into a dorm :(

I actually didn't get over the pain. Especially when I'm removing the cup, I just can't seem to take the dang thing out without torturing what this community calls (I'm very unfamiliar with my anatomy.. not that I know more about guys') the pelvic bone(?) area or without folding the cup so severely that the cup overflows all over my fingers. Even folding it this way causes a great deal of pain.
Now I just suck it up like a strong, independent woman (like my grandma who survived two wars in a rice wine factory with like five siblings). But if you guys are interested in stopping this injustice against my vjj, please give me some advice.
Oh and the suction thing I've got down. I know suction pain, and the pain I'm experiencing is not suction pain. It's definitely stretching pain.
These days though, I just break the suction (maybe the suction's not "strong" enough? I just grab the base in the process of taking the cup out and I don't feel any suction pain), and pull with minimal folding. Yes, this is painful but I really want to practice clean, less overflowy removal for college life.

This is less of a problem.. but I often pinch myself against the cup when I reach up to remove it. Thoughts?

Also, is it possible that the Diva is too long for me? I can often feel the thinner base of the cup sliding about when I sit, bike, pee etc.. I'm wondering how the Meluna compares to the Diva. I bought my diva for like 35 bucks at Whole Foods and seeing the Meluna for like 1/3 the price, I'm like DANG!

Another observation I've made is that it's harder to pee with my cup in but this is more of a minor problem.. for now. Hoping this won't lead to UTIs.
Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on September 1st, 2013 01:00 pm (UTC)
Try enlarging the anti-suction holes around the rim. They help with popping open and also with removal. The Diva's are tiny. Something like a piercing/dermal punch will probably leave a less jagged hole than scissors or a drill bit. The holes on the cup with the biggest holes are 2mm.

"But don't I want suction?" No, you don't. http://menstrual-cups.livejournal.com/2091967.html The idea is to get air into/above the cup to get it to open and then again so it doesn't cause suction upon removal.

You say you're experiencing "stretching pain." If your hymen isn't in the way, you're probably clenching your PC muscles. To isolate them, next time you go pee, start and stop your stream a few times. Then insert your finger and give it a little squeeze. Now that you know how to contract them on command, practice RELAXING them on command. You'll need to do that for insertion and especially removal. Open your mouth a little and keep your jaw slack -- and don't forget to breathe! :o) Edited to add: Also read the Virgin's Guide to Cups at the Community FAQ.

If you think your Diva is too long for you (it is one of the longest cups out there) flip it inside out to shorten it. It's perfectly OK to wear it that way if it works.

And finally, you asked how the MeLuna compares to the Diva. Well, which MeLuna? There are 6 sizes that range from the shortest to almost-longest and narrowest to widest. You can compare your Diva to the 30+ other brands of cups at http://sizecharts.livejournal.com/ or any of the other charts at the Community FAQ. But my advice is don't buy another cup until you get the hang of using this one first. Then you can make a more-informed decision on what you might want next.

Edited at 2013-09-01 02:04 pm (UTC)
bloodyfloody on September 2nd, 2013 02:21 pm (UTC)
Ahha thanks for the suggestions. I was in the shower and flipped my cup inside out, but I was scared that I wouldn't be able to get it out 'cause the bottom became a weird inverted shape with no ribbing. Yea.. maybe if it bothers me enough to make me want to risk an awkward visit to the doctor I will try again.

I've also read ALOT into insertion/removal. Like I said. I got my cup a year ago. I've read the virgin's guide thingy. At first I thought "Oh great, this person who's a virgin just like me was successful, then I should be too." I wasn't. And that's why I gave up for like 7 months.

But good news, I had a very good day with my cup. It was very uncomfortable (and kinda stingy) to put in/take out, but not nearly as much pain as two days ago :D
I think... It must've been my hymen? Hmm.. I kinda feel bad for it. Kinda like I chopped my left pinky toe off and miss having it around even though I didn't notice it most of the time.

And I will def not get a new cup anytime soon. My financial umbilical cord hasn't been cut yet, so everything I want to buy gets filtered by my mom. She was very "ick" about buying me this one, and will probably object to another.
juliiie87juliiie87 on September 1st, 2013 04:53 pm (UTC)
When looking for another cup, consider length carefully (again, there's no such thing as "the Meluna", and all but the XL are shorter than a Diva sooo lots of choice there), as well as stiffness. I think a softer cup like Cuplee or Meluna SOFT could be easier to fold back for removal and lower pee pressure as well. For now, could you empty more often so the cup is less full and easier to fold for removal ? Also remember to bear down gently, to make sure you're not clenching your muscles. You may also want to try and help insertion or removal by putting some lube on yourself.
bloodyfloody on September 2nd, 2013 02:21 pm (UTC)
I've visited the Meluna website and seen the different stem/softness/size/length options (before posting my entry). I meant "the Meluna" in general. Like how would the "classic" stem/softness/size/length compare with the small diva. Because it seems that a small XYZ cup sometimes is bigger than certain large XYZ cups. And I don't know if the classic meluna "softness" (?) is softer or harder than the diva. You know.. I'll probably be getting medium/classic everything anyway (if I do decide to switch later on). I took their little quiz thing too. Anyway sorry for the confusion.
I think I've got clenching down pat. Like I said before, I think my "down there geography" changed quite a bit in the last two days of "greater traffic" up the "scarlet brick road." Yes.. No lube for me. Like some people prefer not to own guns... I prefer not to own lube.
You know the "you don't need to empty your cup for up to 12 hours" part was a big selling point for me. Alas, the "up to" part really doesn't mean much for consumers; could mean it may hold you for 40 minutes, two hours, seven hours.. meh. But if changing more frequently can make removal less stressful (and now that removal is less painful), I guess I can afford to see some more blood than I expected to.
juliiie87juliiie87 on September 2nd, 2013 02:42 pm (UTC)
I think the awesome thing about Meluna if you decide you want to order from them, is the wide choice they offer, so you don't have to restrict yourself to a medium, classic stiffness or what not. Like I said, the small Diva is closest in length to an XL Meluna, and closer in stiffness to a classic (Diva rates 4/10, classic meluna rates about 6/10). I also wouldn't put much stock in Meluna's advice, shocking to ignore the manufacturers' guidelines, I know, but their assumption that "petite" women should automatically get smaller and shorter cups vs. "stronger" or "stout" women just makes my blood boil. What if you have a long vagina or a heavy flow ? And as if the size of your insides had anything to do with your figure... And being a soft cup afficionado, who hasn't had children, I take offense in their assumption that my pelvic floor must be really weak. Anyway, just my experience.

You use a Diva with no issue besides a possibly slightly too long stem, so you already know you'd be fine with the length of say, a large Meluna, even an XL if you avoid the bulky, untrimmable ring stem. The question is, which stem option and/or stiffness appeals to you most. Don't feel obliged to go with the most "medium" option. If the stiffnes of the Diva is causing you some discomfort, it'd be smart to look into a softer option, especially if you're looking to upgrade in capacity/width. And obviously, there are other soft, high capacity cups to consider (large Fleurcup, Si-bell, Yuuki soft version, Femmycycle, etc.)

In case you haven't seen them yet : http://sizecharts.livejournal.com/ and
http://menstrualcupinfo.wordpress.com/cup-stiffness-comparison-chart/ stiffness ratings.
bloodyfloody on September 2nd, 2013 03:12 pm (UTC)
Oh I considered the softer Melunas, but I lost interest after reading that part about how softer cups are harder to remove? I'm not quite sure where, but I think I've also read that they're leakier?
Haha I feel like menstrual cup goldilocks :DD
jchammondsjchammonds on September 1st, 2013 07:26 pm (UTC)
I found the Fleurcup shorter and more comfortable than the Diva. They're cheap, too! I tried a Ladycup and hated it.

Are you removing it while still seated on the toilet? I find that more comfortable and spillage goes in the toilet instead of on my clothes or the floor.
bloodyfloody on September 2nd, 2013 02:33 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestions!
I'm definitely on the john while removing. Haha where were YOU removing it? Removing over the bathroom floor or mah pants would be a bloody bloody circus act.

According to the cup sizechart the small fleur has ~ the same capacity as the small diva while being considerably smaller. Did you notice that the fleur holds less/more than the diva?

I regret rush-purchasing my diva. It was so expensive and I wasn't really in a hurry anyway.. I didn't know there would be such a great variety and that they would make such a difference in fit/comfort. Shoulda done more research.
juliiie87juliiie87 on September 2nd, 2013 02:51 pm (UTC)
Just FYI, there's no law that says you have to restrict yourself to "small" sized cups... you want to be able to go longer than with your current cup ? get a larger one, it'll hold more. Fleurcup is one that holds more because it is more bell-shaped, whereas the Diva is very tappered.
bloodyfloody on September 2nd, 2013 03:08 pm (UTC)
Er thanks, I know there's no such law. I'm just going with the information I have. And since I JUST started to not feel agonizing pain from insertion/removal in addition to the fact that I can sometimes feel the base of the diva even when I'm sitting and idle, I think I will stick with the smaller ones for now.
But I will take into account what you said if/when I'm considering buying a new cup.
As for your comment about the manufacturers' guidelines; my first thought was that a lot of our body parts are pretty proportional to our height and build. For example, if you measure the length of someone's femur, you can get a pretty accurate estimate of their height. Of course there are outliers, but the guidelines are what they are "guide"lines. I guess the alternative to the height/build/age/births would be "Why dontcha feel around down nere and pick a size ye like" Haha! Just speaking for myself, I think I would've given buying menstrual cups much, much more thought.
juliiie87juliiie87 on September 2nd, 2013 04:09 pm (UTC)
Well, as you may have guessed I'm a big advocate of the second method, because I find it's usually most accurate. :)

The length of your vagina, unlike your femur, can actually vary depending on where you are in your cycle, as your cervix typically (but not always) drops down around menstruation and comes back up around ovulation. It also varies with arousal, obviously, how else would PIV sex even be possible ?

Also the discomfort you describe is most likely linked to stiffness and length (the stem poking out... as you can see from the charts, it's longer than all the other cups I listed). One of the things I enjoy about soft cups is being able to refold them more easily for removal. Also softer = less pressure on your bladder. My favorite cup is the "large" Cuplee, and I also own a large Fleurcup. Well, both shorter than your Diva. And the Cuplee is a similar width too. So what they are called really doesn't matter ultimately. I'm just putting this out there because I know there's a lot of information and it can be overwhelming. We do speak of finding your "goldilocks" cup, in fact, haha.
jchammondsjchammonds on September 2nd, 2013 02:56 pm (UTC)
I was standing with one leg up on the toilet seat. Sometimes it went well, sometimes not. Then, it finally occurred to me to just do it while still seated.

No, I haven't noticed any difference in capacity, although I'm using the large ones.
bloodyfloody on September 2nd, 2013 03:16 pm (UTC)
Aw dang.
Welp, at least it's more comfy for you..