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09 August 2013 @ 12:59 am
This is a very emotional post, I am overtired and a tornado went through my fathers farm and I have an minorly injured horse I am over reacting to.
I am so frustrated and sore I could throw my Keeper Cup away. It takes 30min to an hour for me to get the cup in and out, I don't have time for that. It hurts SO bad coming out most of the time. I sometime am able to fold it out without pain. I have torn my hymen which hurt so bad and bled a lot. It is unpleasant putting it back in. My vagina is sore from taking the cup in and out everyday I have a pad on. Oh and the cup has leaked and caused messes. The plastic takes on the horrible sent of old blood which is not easy to get rid of. The suction is strong and hard to break it feels like I could pull something out, yet it will leak.

I'm sure I need a new cup, I am not giving up but am at a ver frustrated point. I want my cup to go in well, not leak and come out painlessly. Too much to ask?

Wishing there was a chart to find the perfect cup for the individual.

I believe I need a smaller circumference cup, softer and with greater capacity, any recommends?
Sarcasticia Nitpickersontisiphone on August 9th, 2013 07:15 am (UTC)
I just want to say, there's no reason not to go back to pads or tampons if it's not working for you right now. If you're struggling so hard with it, it's probably not making it any easier to insert. I'm sure other people will be along to give you cup recommendations, but for right now... relax, recover, take care of the horse, and don't worry about the cup not working. It's OK.
juliiie87juliiie87 on August 9th, 2013 09:46 am (UTC)
Well as it happens you're in luck, because there is such a chart : http://sizecharts.livejournal.com/ I think you mostly want a softer cup so consider stiffness ratings as well : http://menstrualcupinfo.wordpress.com/cup-stiffness-comparison-chart/

I'm sorry about the tornado and everything. :(
Meganarwen_17 on August 9th, 2013 12:43 pm (UTC)
Use the chart the poster above me listed. Be careful not to go too small; it may just be the suction of your cup that makes it so hard to get out. Before you get a new cup, could you try making the holes of your current cup slightly bigger? If you can, it's worth a try.

And/or, consider a cup with bigger holes so the suction is easier to break.</p>

Sorry about the horse and tornado. I hope all looks up for you soon!

..::bella vita::..por_que_no on August 9th, 2013 12:49 pm (UTC)
Oh goodness I'm sorry about the horse and your farm :(

The good news is that almost all other cups are going to be softer than the Keeper and most will have greater capacity (this is why, honestly, I see no advantages to using the Keeper, except if someone has a silicone allergy but is too long inside to use the Meluna or something). Do you know how long your cervix is--like how far you can get a finger in there before you reach it? Or is your cervix unreachable? If your cervix is very high/unreachable you should check out the Lilycup, since it's the longest one out there, one of the softest, and is I believe a little narrower than the Keeper even.
Jennifer Monoteasy2begreen on August 9th, 2013 01:56 pm (UTC)
Ouch. :-( It sounds like you're sore enough that you should probably put the cup away for a cycle and just stick with pads. (If you haven't tried them, cloth pads are quite nice -- more comfortable than disposables for me.)

I haven't tried the Keeper, but it is said to be one of the firmest cups with a very pronounced rim and low capacity due to the hole placement. I think almost any small cup is likely to be an improvement! Be sure to keep length in mind when picking out a new cup, as cervix height seems to be one of the biggest factors in determining whether a cup will work for you. (If the cup is too short overall, you may have problems fishing it out; too long in the body and it may cause discomfort or leak.) I wouldn't automatically exclude cups that are the same or slightly larger diameter as your Keeper, since leaking often happens when the cup doesn't circle your cervix, and it's easier to miss with a narrower cup than a wider one.

Some of the more popular small cups seem to be the small Si-Bell (very similar to the small Fleur Cup but softer), the small Lunette (medium firm, relatively high capacity), the medium Meluna soft (choose your own stem!).
ameliarozeameliaroze on August 9th, 2013 02:59 pm (UTC)
Thank you.
Thank you. I will try making the holes bigger but am very keen on trying a different cup. I took a deep breath and feel a little better. The lunnette has a 51/8 in circumference where the keeper had a 51/2 in. Would the smaller circumference not help me? I have a medium to high cervix on my flow. The large lunetter has a large capacity of 30...it's kinda confusing picking a cup. How does each measured area affect the way the cup fits, willthe cup be too soft, small, short, long?
Will keep referencing back to the keeper measurements for a starting point.

Jennifer Monoteasy2begreen on August 9th, 2013 03:23 pm (UTC)
Re: Thank you.
Unfortunately, circumference isn't everything -- the Lunette has a much rounder, hoop-skirt body than the more V-shaped Keeper. I find that the Lunette puts a bit more pressure on my bladder than narrower cups like the Diva even though the Lunette has a smaller diameter. I wouldn't go with the large Lunette, which is both stiff and wide.

It might be helpful to keep in mind that most cups can work for most people. (The Keeper might be an exception!) I have quite a few cups that range widely in size and shape (my smallest cup is the mini Meluna small, and my largest is the Cuplee), and I just choose based on what I need that day. For what it's worth, my two favorite cups are the small LadyCup (warning: relatively low capacity, stem is slippery, though probably not more so than the Keeper) and the Cuplee (larger capacity, very soft, V-shaped). Also, comparison photos of the Keeper with other brands can be found here: http://menstrualcups.friendhood.net/t228-keeper-and-keeper-moon-cup-comparison-photos . Good luck!
juliiie87juliiie87 on August 11th, 2013 09:16 pm (UTC)
Re: Thank you.
I think stiffness matters more to your comfort than a small difference in diameter. Pick a length ballpark first, based on your experience with your cup and what you can tell from feeling around for your cervix, then report to the stiffness chart, and finally consider other factors such as capacity (especially if you have a relatively heavy flow), shape, stem, color, price, etc. How do you like the length of your current cup ? Is it hard to reach it for removal ? does it ride up ? or on the contrary, does it sit "just there", does it peek out ?

PS : it's not clear from your post if you have the brown rubber Keeper or the clear silicone Keeper Moon Cup ? Either way, those are medium to long and pretty stiff (the rubber one being the stiffest EVER) AND one of the lowest capacity cup. Very few cups are narrower, but I'm willing to bet even a larger, softer cup would be more comfortable. The same diameter, only softer, should be fine.

Edited at 2013-08-11 09:35 pm (UTC)
ameliarozeameliaroze on August 18th, 2013 06:27 pm (UTC)
Re: Thank you.
Rubber keeper cup. It's interesting that originally I was going to order the CupLee which is recommended several times for me on here. Instead, because of convenience in payment and quickness of shipment I went with one that is really not suited for me. Someday I'll learn. :/
juliiie87juliiie87 on August 18th, 2013 08:45 pm (UTC)
Re: Thank you.
I <3 my Cuplee.

Choosing and ordering a cup for the first time can be challenging, it certainly was ordering mine from Russia... But nowadays mot cups can be ordered from a reseller such as femininewear.co.uk or luxurymoon.co.uk, besides Amazon and the cup manufacturers themselves.
ameliarozeameliaroze on August 18th, 2013 09:00 pm (UTC)
Re: Thank you.
Very helpful, I couldn't find a CupLee via Amazon or ebay but I did find one on feminine wear, thanks!
ameliarozeameliaroze on August 18th, 2013 08:56 pm (UTC)
Re: Thank you.
The Keeper will either sit "just there" or it will peek out, is my cervix moving that much?
juliiie87juliiie87 on August 18th, 2013 09:04 pm (UTC)
Re: Thank you.
Is that the stem or the cup ? It sounds like your cup is the maximum length you could fit, you may want something shorter depending on whether that's uncomfortable for you. And yeah, your cervix can move a bit over a cycle.
ameliarozeameliaroze on August 18th, 2013 09:05 pm (UTC)
Re: Thank you.
the cup
ameliarozeameliaroze on August 18th, 2013 09:28 pm (UTC)
Re: Thank you.
Will going from one the stiffest cup to the softest be a bad thing to do? Should I stay more in the middle? Or is it not that large a gap from stiffest to softest?
juliiie87juliiie87 on August 19th, 2013 10:38 am (UTC)
Re: Thank you.
It is a large gap, but most people do just fine with very soft cups, unless they have killer pelvic floor muscles from doing specific sports or other reasons. So it's hard to tell what your case is. I love my soft cups and don't have any issues with popping open as long as I use the right fold (half diamond, possibly origami or labia) and a relaxed position. As always I would first make sure length works for you by feeling around and using your finger as a ruler, then consider what cups and stiffnesses are available in your size range. A Cuplee is very similar to a Keeper in length, so I don't know how well that would fit you. It might sit a bit higher due to width, or just about the same. There are other soft to medium cups you could consider that are slightly shorter, such as Miacup (medium-soft, also identical to Cuplee otherwise), Si-bell (soft with a springy rim), Fleurcup (medium-soft, more on the medium side imo) or Lunette (medium). If that's affordable for you, you could get 2 from femininewear and re-sell your least favorite on mc-sales ? Or just get the one and see how it goes.

Edited at 2013-08-19 10:39 am (UTC)
ameliarozeameliaroze on August 19th, 2013 08:14 pm (UTC)
Re: Thank you.
I had to go ahead and buy a CupLee it seemed the best fit comparing to the pros and cons of the keeper. If I had not ordered the rubber Keeper I would have tried another cycle with it but I cannot stand that rubber smell. Here's hoping the CupLee is the last I'll have to buy for several years!
ameliarozeameliaroze on August 28th, 2013 05:16 pm (UTC)
Re: Thank you.
Received the CupLee and did a dry run. So much more comfortable and easy to work with. The only thing is it didn't seem like it popped open. Will have to experiment with that.
trejoytrejoy on August 10th, 2013 02:44 pm (UTC)
I feel your pain ~ I used a Keeper for nearly a year and had issues with the cup popping open violently (ouch!), the stem, routine leakage and bladder pressure!

The Lunette, while softer than the Keeper and Moon Cup, was still fairly stiff for me. You may want to consider the Cuplee if the length of the Keeper works for you.

Edited at 2013-08-10 02:49 pm (UTC)