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23 July 2013 @ 10:08 am
Hello all,

I think I'm after some sizing help, but any and all suggestions welcome.

I've got a larger size of moon cup. I've had it for about 4 years. Used it a bit in between the birth of my 2nd and 3rd children. Never really with great success and feeling quite frustrated with it all now my periods have returned a few months ago. I'd really like a cup to work, but it seems that this cup doesn't work reliably enough for me and my body. It moves around (dodgy pelvic floor after 3 vaginal births possibly not helping here), can often slip down and feel horribly uncomfortable (I trimmed the stem right back) and I have problems with leaking, so always need a cloth pad as well. I also wonder if it's big enough for me, just simply with the comfort issues I've had alone? I've tried to find my cervix etc after reading the posts here, but am none the wiser. I was actually struck by the thought yesterday that my vagina doesn't feel like a canal, but more like a cave! Sorry for TMI...

I've tried it inside out, which was a bit better, but still not reliable. If I'm running after 3 kids, working and generally just trying to get on with my life I don't have time to worry about what my cup is doing (sorry, bit frustrated!). Cloth pads are lovely, but don't work so well when you need to get into the pool with your baby's swimming lesson - I used a tampon and remembered why I hated them so much.

I'm wondering if I need a larger cup, and would appreciate some suggestions for brands if possible. I've not tried any other cups, finances don't really allow for buying several cups all at once, so I'd like to narrow down the search a bit :)

Thanks so much in advance for any suggestions.
 
trejoytrejoy on July 23rd, 2013 12:47 am (UTC)
Larger and softer could help. I totally understand the "cave" feeling. I'm internally wide and not high so had similar issues with cups moving about!

Do you know how high/low your cervix tends to be on your period? The large Sckoon or Cuplee is 'goldilocks' for my heaviest days. A large Fleur isn't that expensive.

Have you seen the sizecharts: http://sizecharts.livejournal.com/
or the comparison pictures: http://menstrualcups.friendhood.net/f52-moderator-s-photo-library?
holdmyfalafel on July 23rd, 2013 01:26 am (UTC)
Thanks for your reply.

This my best guess. Yesterday was day 2 of my period and I could feel a small bump (cervix?) with my longest finger at full stretch. The fingers's about 8cm long.

Thanks for the links. I've seen the comparison chart, but not quite sure how to fit in the information I know about me (minimal) with the information on the chart. I'm sure I'm about to learn more!

And glad to hear my cave comment didn't sound so silly!
..::bella vita::..por_que_no on July 23rd, 2013 03:45 pm (UTC)
I wonder if the NaturalMamma would work for you. I've always thought it was a very pretty cup but it has one of the widest diameters and it's also quite long. (Long is great for me, wide not so much) For some reason it's not listed on Melissa's cup stiffness chart but you could see the dimensions of various cups at the above link or here: http://menstrualcupinfo.wordpress.com/cup-stiffness-comparison-chart/

Edited at 2013-07-23 03:45 pm (UTC)
holdmyfalafel on July 24th, 2013 04:35 am (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestion, it's not a name that's come up before. I'll have a look :)
Jennifer Monoteasy2begreen on July 25th, 2013 01:20 pm (UTC)
The diameter measurements for the Natural Mamma are incorrect. I owned one and measured it at 43mm wide, which is pretty medium sized as far as diameters go. The shape didn't work for me, but I eventually ended up with a Cuplee, which is a very soft, medium sized, long cup. It's working really well for me.
Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on July 23rd, 2013 04:10 pm (UTC)
When you say you'd like your cup to be LARGER, what do you mean?
Wider at the rim? Wider bodied? Longer?

Use the size charts to compare the cup that you have to others. Pick out dimensions that you think would fit/suit you better. Then use side by side comparison photos of those cups to pick a shape that appeals to you.

While you're there, compare the large Fleurcup to the Mooncup that you have and others that you like. It has a good reputation as a "Mommy sized" cup because it's a medium length, wide rimmed, wide bodied, grippy textured, squishy soft, high capacity and blunt based. It also has pronounced grip rings and a solid flat tab stem that people either love or hate.

Edited to add: As for your "dodgy pelvic floor..."
There are many different kegel tools to strengthen those muscles. Some are hands-on and require interaction -- such as wands or tethered "orgasm balls" or gizmos that look kinda like speculums. My favorite tool is just plain Ben Wa Balls. Start with ones that are about 1" and 3/4oz apiece and then graduate to those that are appx 3/4" and 1oz apiece. The idea is to insert them and keep them in while you walk around, do the dishes, etc. Start with 20 minutes a day and build from there. The longer you keep them in, they harder they'll be to keep them inside. That's what's working your PCs -- hands free, no interaction required. Do this at home. Be sure to remember to remove them (relax, cough and catch) before going out or using the toilet.

But it has recently come to light that kegel exercises are not enough. You will need to add squats (for the butt muscles) and lower abdominal crunches to your exercise routine. They all work together to tone vaginal muscles.


Edited at 2013-07-23 04:17 pm (UTC)
holdmyfalafel on July 24th, 2013 04:34 am (UTC)
Thanks for your thoughts. I've had ongoing issues for a while with my pelvic floor, thanks also to pelvic instability during my last pregnancy. I've been seeing a pelvic floor physio. Having a coughing virus for the last month certainly hasn't done things any favours either...
Dunno why I think larger might be better. What I have isn't working and that's why I came here looking for some further info. I have had a look at the size charts and the pictures. For some reason, I can only find comparison photos of a small mooncup, not the bigger one that I have. But if I'm looking in the wrong place, please let me know.

ETA. Just found a photo of larger moon cup next to a Natural Mamma cup.

Edited at 2013-07-24 04:37 am (UTC)
Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on July 24th, 2013 11:53 am (UTC)
trejoy gave you a link to the size charts. It has links to Melissa's and Afriska's photos. Between the two of them, you should get a good idea of relative size and shape of the more popular brands.
justice_02justice_02 on July 25th, 2013 03:12 am (UTC)
Hi there! I can definitely relate to things not being quite the same after childbirth. I have a two kids, ages ten and four. After my first, I used a large Diva cup. There were times when it would migrate up pretty high possibly up around my cervix. Sometimes, I would even do a Kegel and it would flatten my Diva and cause it to leak. Now, my Diva sits right at my vaginal opening. Even if I push it up higher, it always comes back down to that same position. I could kegel all I want, but I doubt it would flatten or compress the cup. It's probably because my cervix is lower and my pelvic floor muscles aren't quite as strong. It never falls out or anything, but it certainly wouldn't be comfortable with a stem. I currently use a large Diva, a large Si-Bell, and a Shecup for my lighter days. The Si-Bell's stem is flexible and soft enough that I've never cut it off. I love them all and can't decide which one I like best. I have never leaked with any of them. I love the Shecup's ball stem. I think my cervix must be dangly because I usually have to empty them before they are full. Then again, my flow is not really heavy enough to fill a cup completely. For my "dodgy" pelvic floor I use kegel weights, a dvd called Hab It pelvic floor, and I squat daily when I change the three cat litter boxes. I just need to get in the habit of consistently doing these things. The only thing I consistently do is the cat litter boxes out of sheer necessity! BTW, I am 37-years-old. My second labor was what is deemed a precipitous labor. It only lasted 2 1/2 hours from start to finish! I had him at home, by myself, in my bathroom! I always wonder if this is what really did a number on my pelvic floor. I wound up tearing because I squatted while I was delivering his head. This is what felt natural to me at the time. I laid on my side after his head was out to deliver the rest of his body. My midwife later told me, for future reference, don't squat when the baby is coming that fast! Who knew! It wasn't planned to have him at home by myself. I just didn't know I was that far into my labor. Sorry if this got off topic, but I was just hypothesizing as to why things are much different down there after the second birth as opposed to the first. Very rarely, I will leak a minute amount of urine when I sneeze and have an overly full bladder. I may visit a pelvic physiotherapist as well. Has yours helped? What do they do for you exactly?
holdmyfalafel on July 25th, 2013 12:13 pm (UTC)
Thanks for your cup suggestions. There's lots out there.

Yes, I think the pelvic floor physio was definitely worth it. I did have some other issues as well that another physio worked on, and it's helped my pelvic floor too. A pelvic floor physio can assess your pelvic floor function with an internal exam, plus give you exercises and tips to increase/maintain pelvic floor function.

Don't apologise for going OT, doesn't bother me in the least :) I can only imagine that it's easier for muscles to resume closer to their original state after one baby, but it's harder work subsequent times. Well, maybe not for everyone, but I'm only speaking for myself really!

My last labour was my fastest, although we did make it to the hospital. Just. Sounds like you did an amazing job! I've torn with each delivery, but we make babies with big heads. Sigh.

Edited at 2013-07-25 12:14 pm (UTC)