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04 July 2013 @ 03:11 pm
On the very cool and complete new website for MeLuna : http://www.meluna.org, here is a statement one can read =
“PHYSIQUE: Small, petite women often use sizes S or M. Women who are tall and strong tend to prefer larger sizes. Body size and stature seem to have an impact on the required size of a menstrual cup.”

I didn't think that such elements could actually be taken into account, or then maybe only in a few cases :) ?
I'd assume the major criterion would be the cervix height during one's period, in particular, and the heaviness of the flow, too, which is an important factor.

But I may be missing/ignoring some point or some facts here ;) (?)
..::bella vita::..por_que_no on July 4th, 2013 07:04 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I would imagine there's too much variation in an individual woman's anatomy (and the elasticity of her vagina) to make recommendations based on height and weight. A tall and obese woman might still have a short cervix or a tight vag, and a petite girl with a high cervix and a heavy flow may be able to wear a large cup easily. Besides, others may need a combination of short/wide, long/wide, long/narrow, or short/narrow. I happen to be one of the probably few whose outward anatomy matches the type of cup I would need (very long, very narrow in the trunk) but this doesn't seem very common.
a DJ who lived in seclusionknittinggoddess on July 4th, 2013 08:08 pm (UTC)
The only thing that seems to have a correlation with uterus size is age (and parity): people who have finished puberty tend to have larger uteri than people who have not. (Ugh, not that I can find the article now!) I don't know whether this extends to vaginal length or width, but I assume that if there is any correlation, age and parity are the real factors at play. Also, because this needs to be said: correlation is not causation.

I don't have a Meluna, I have a Diva Cup, which is one of the larger styles. I'm small and petite, but it fits me just fine. I don't know, maybe they're running off of customer reports and coming up with associations that they see? The human brain is also really good at looking for patterns where none exist.

Also, god, for the record? "Tall and strong" is a bullshit combo. Ok, I'm not very strong, but the two strongest, buffest people I know are definitely shorter than average for their gender.
fluffmyflamingofluffmyflamingo on July 5th, 2013 06:18 am (UTC)
I took it to mean that what they actually mean when they say 'tall and strong' is tall and overweight or 'big built', they're just trying to say it in a more complimentary fashion! But then that could be my own cynicism and paranoia at play seeing as I use a meluna xl lol
Quitteriequitterie on July 5th, 2013 01:10 pm (UTC)
:o) Thank you.
In the case of a diaphragm (not sure at all about the cervical cap), I heard it should be replaced to a larger one, if the user had taken weight.
But I never heard of a cup user having to do so. The principle(s) of these two ‘tools’ :) aren’t totally the same, and for instance most cups have some holes which help too to make a seal.
But may this advice be applicable for cups too ; and same, in case of a big weight loss?

Also, on the Meluna site in the size finder-calculator, how do they determine 1.70m tall as a point of reference ? Do they estimate this is the average women’s height ?

Moreover, an assessment about the regular U-shaped size S makes me slightly disconcerted :
“MeLuna size S is one of the smallest menstrual cups worldwide. Slim, petite physique, no vaginal births, light menstrual flow, *very good pelvic floor muscles* - under these conditions could be suitable the MeLuna size S.”
And below, “Very slender built women who have never had sexual intercourse, and women who *had a uterine prolapse* could use the MeLuna size S.”
-> This last assertion is a bit surprising, don’t you find too? And might be somehow in contradiction with the above mentioned presumed very good pelvic floor muscles..
even if the prolapse may have occurred in the past (“had”)

Finally, am not sure to get what “powerful figure” or “firm tissue” are referring to …. ;s (= in the tables with examples of named ladies using this or that model, for each size…)
For this last one, do they imply if you have a nice, firm skin with good collagen ha, then your insides may as well be ‘young’, so to speak?
Oh well.. I just love wondering about things ;o) - don’t pay too much attention to all this, lol.
Luceafaraluceafara on July 5th, 2013 03:03 am (UTC)
This is based on tampon suggestions, I think. Not buying it. My older sister is much slimmer and shorter than me, and she's always used super tampons while I can just so fit a regular in, though I prefer comfort or minis.

BTW, they say that they have not found a correlation between age and size needed. I would have to agree with that - i have always used the same size tampons, ever since I started using tampons at 13.

Edited at 2013-07-05 03:10 am (UTC)
Quitteriequitterie on July 5th, 2013 12:58 pm (UTC)
Oh, I had no idea the tampons companies suggested to choose the size according to one's general built!
juliiie87juliiie87 on July 6th, 2013 08:58 am (UTC)
*Venting ahead*

Honestly, form my experience helping people on this comm' picking a cup for quite some months (years?), I call bullshit and their website is starting to really annoy me in that respect. I don't understand their not-so-subttle message that "fat" people (or y'know, "strong" or "stout" any of the other synonyms they choose to use to sugarcoat it with) would need larger or longer cups.

The only thing that could have an impact imo is whether one has had children, and unless they consider women who've had children are more likely to be overweight... And even then, some people have 4 children and use smaller cups just fine ! Actually a certain number of women with loser pelvic floor muscles after birth tend to have mild prolapse, so that calls for a shorter cup. But they don't think in that logic, because their cups grow in length as well as width, EXCEPT for the medium Mini, which they've now taken to offer as a part of the "Mom" set which is one improvement to be grateful for.

Apart from that... I just don't get it. Also, thanks Meluna for your assessment that my pelvic floor muscles must really be in terrible shape, since I can use your soft model just fine... -.-'

And as I've been trying to tell newbies : Good luck with your tiny teeny mini Meluna if you happen to be a virgin with a really high cervix and a somewhat heavy flow. I hope you enjoy all the far reaching and the frequent messy removals! Thanks Meluna! grr I'm just venting, sorry.

It's just that people seem to be really weirded out at the idea of having A VAGINA with A CERVIX they can actually feel for themselves, and draw logic conclusions from that. Which is odd because using a cup precisely requires that kind of ease with yourself. So apparently you have to use silly indicators that you can see for yourself without having to do the obvious, oh so disgusting act of self-checking on your body. That's just plain silly.
m03m on July 6th, 2013 09:12 pm (UTC)
*stands up and claps*
Quitteriequitterie on July 11th, 2013 11:12 am (UTC)
the "Ayuda" section of the Copita
Ha! Well said!;-)
.. At least, on the website of the Copita cup from Chile, they clearly indicate the age, height or virginity aren't the issues/main factors to take into account. They point out the heaviness of the flow^^ - in their answer to the first question on this page_this is in Spanish, claro^ = http://www.copitamenstrual.cl/ayuda

"La Copita Menstrual puede ser utilizada por cualquier mujer desde su primer período.

El uso de ésta no tiene que ver con el tamaño del cuerpo sino con la cantidad de flujo. Cualquier mujer, ya sea joven, pequeña o una mujer adulta, puede utilizar este método de protección. Una mujer temerosa de perder su virginidad por insertar la Copita Menstrual, no debe preocuparse ya que éste se inserta en la vagina a través de la apertura del himen, la misma que permite que el fluido menstrual salga del cuerpo. Esta apertura es, normalmente, lo suficientemente amplia como para acomodar perfectamente La Copita Menstrual."
Quitteriequitterie on July 11th, 2013 11:21 am (UTC)
Re: the "Ayuda" section of the Copita
Well, they say "quantity of the flow", not specifically "heaviness", hum ;).
There's only -one size- for this cup, as far as I know.
juliiie87juliiie87 on July 11th, 2013 11:50 pm (UTC)
Re: the "Ayuda" section of the Copita
Ha! I don't really speak spanish but I can guess enough to agree that's some decent information at last. I'll REALLY get excited when a cup manufacturer acknowledges about the cervix and cups sitting up around it. That's also why I don't hang out on Easycup, they don't seem very much into cervix talk. ;)
Quitteriequitterie on July 12th, 2013 06:30 pm (UTC)
Re: the "Ayuda" section of the Copita
Absolutely! & I'm with you on the cup and cervix marriage ;) and its acknowledgement by the cup manufacturers!
yoohh so you're an Easycup member.. mm may I ask you who you are, or should you prefer not to reveal this info héhé ? ;o)
Quitteriequitterie on July 14th, 2013 01:32 pm (UTC)
the Ruby..
I've read the notice sheet for my Ruby cup, and here is what they say, for the last step of the insertion : "Push Ruby Cup gently inside and *place it high* in the vagina."
(I've added the asterisks, lol)
Finally a wise advice, even if they don't expressly mention the *cervix*, but that's good anyway. Besides, their entire website is brilliant, especially the FAQ section.

On an overall note, in the general instructions provided by the companies, I'm not sure to understand why some/many of them recommend to remove the cup before going to bed, and remove it right away in the morning.. I don't think the blood and fluids get 'bad' ha or something while one's lying for several hours?

Also, they often say it may be a good idea to remove (and then seal well) the cup before doing a sport. This is quite logical, but I just wonder if some strenuous cuppers often use to set about doing their activities -without worrying of their maybe half full cup-, and if then, they usually have zero pb, no matter what ;-))...