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22 May 2013 @ 06:45 pm
Hi, I'm new so I hope I'm posting this right...I need some help finding a more comfortable fitting cup. Currently, I have the Diva size 1, as I'm 30 years old and have no children. I've been trying to use the Diva cup but it keeps becoming uncomfortable to wear even after a few hours of wearing it comfortably. So I was looking to purchase either the Lunette or the MeLuna but I need some advice on which one to get.

I put the Diva in right as I started my period and it was comfortable to wear (minus the stem, which I can trim later) but about 6 hours after inserting it, I felt it pop and lots of suction which starting hurting and giving me discomfort/pain to the point where I had to remove the cup. I never felt the cup open when I initially inserted it but I ran my finger around the rim to make sure it was open and the whole time I had it in the cup did not leak at all (so based on what I have been reading here, I assumed it was open). So at that point, I emptied it, turned the cup inside out thinking it might have been too long (based on LJ again and the fact that when I had it in before, the right way out, the bottom of the cup didn't go in quite all the way), re-inserted the cup (didn't feel the pop then either) and went to bed. The cup was comfortable to wear all night (no leakage) until early in the morning, when I felt that pop and the suction/discomfort start again while still laying in bed. So I had to removed and reinsert the cup again (I kept the cup inside out). But this time, the pop and suction started right after I put it back in. So this time I took it out and left it out because my parts were starting to get a bit sore at this point. I tried again the following day (cup still inside out) and had that suction/discomfort start as soon as I put it in.

So now I'm beginning to think I may need a different, shorter cup. But I'm not sure which one to get. The cup doesn't bother me at all until that pop/suction happens, then I'm not sure if it's the suction or if my cervix likes to sit low and the cup is bumping up against it that is causing the discomfort. But that's what it feels like once the pop and suction happens. My cervix is easy to reach but not as low as some others on here have described. But I'm still wondering if the Diva cup is too long, even after I turned it inside out. So now I'm considering either the Lunette or MeLuna. But I'm concerned that Lunette still might be too long since it's about the same length as the Diva turned inside out. So I was considering the MeLuna instead but I'm not sure if I should get the classic or the soft (and what size) since I don't know if the firmness of the cup is causing the discomfort. I'm worried that if I get the soft it might not open, but on the other hand, I'm worried that the classic would be too firm which would cause that discomfort again, as well as be too hard to insert.

So, is it the suction and/or firmness of the cup causing the discomfort or is it just too long? Should I try the Lunette or MeLuna? And what size and firmness?
Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on May 22nd, 2013 11:54 pm (UTC)
Suction means it wasn't open all the way. http://menstrual-cups.livejournal.com/2091967.html

Using what you know about your Diva and your body, compare dimensions, shapes and capacities from any of the size charts at the Community FAQ or at http://sizecharts.livejournal.com/ There are far more brands of cups than the Lunette and MeLuna that you mention.
k_alysonk_alyson on May 23rd, 2013 02:34 am (UTC)
The next time I will try letting in more air if I get that suction feeling/discomfort. But I'm not sure how well that is going to fix my ongoing problem because the first time it happened I wasn't moving around so I'm not sure how the seal could have been broken and the suction activated. I was sitting still and all of a sudden it popped and started to hurt. I know it's possible that I moved a muscle without realizing it and that caused the problem, but I also can't be running to the bathroom to "readjust" every time it happens without cause. But I will try letting in some air first and see if that helps any.

I know there are other cups besides the MeLuna and the Lunette but from my research and thought those two would be the best choice for me after using the Diva. Plus, given the number of cup options, I was trying to narrow it down as best I could and then get advice from there.
juliiie87juliiie87 on May 23rd, 2013 11:09 am (UTC)
When you say you've narrowed it down to "the Meluna" it makes us cup geeks frown a little, because that's like the brand with the wildest range of sizes and stiffnesses. If you automatically assume you need a small size meluna, that's even worse because very few people actually need such a tiny cup. The closest to a Diva flipped inside out would be a large Meluna, which you can see for yourself on the charts listed above.

But right now, I think you're still in the learning curve and you need to figure out what's wrong and how to fix it, so once your Diva is working for you, inside out if need be, you'll know what to look for in your next cup. I think Kuradi8's right in that when you didn't feel any suction, the cup wasn't open properly, so that's why it "popped" and started suctioning randomly like you said. The trick is, you should make sure it pops open before you leave the bathroom, so there's no surprise later on, BUT make sure there's no suction so it's not uncomfortable. So step 1. Check all around the rim with your finger that there's no dent or bulge, step 2. Press gently against your vaginal wall or the cup until you hear a "whoosh" and feel that the cup is comfortably expanded, not suctionning on your cervix like a vacuum cleaner's tip.

If you're having difficulty with step 1, perhaps you need to try another fold : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt6L-POE-b0 I find origami, half diamond and triangle work well and are very popular. I find that facing the folded part down makes for easier unfolding, reach and check than facing it next to your pubic bone. Hang on, you're almost there !

Also to answer your last question, it does sound like it's a bit too long, but other than that, it's hard for us to pin point exactly what is causing your discomfort. At this point it could still be user error and you'll know more once you sort it out. But just to give you an idea of what is out there, here's a stiffness chart in addition to the size charts listed above : http://menstrualcupinfo.wordpress.com/cup-stiffness-comparison-chart/

Edited at 2013-05-23 11:46 am (UTC)
Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on May 23rd, 2013 01:43 pm (UTC)
"I was sitting still and all of a sudden it popped and started to hurt." That makes me think it wasn't popped open all the way and then when it did, it caused suction or smacked/scraped your cervix on the way. Or that the cup shifted and did the same.

Inside out, is it possible that your cervix is "dangling" into the cup and getting speared by the stem that's sticking up? If you happen to have a "dangly" cervix, then a wider cup is often the answer.

As juliiie87 said, the six remaining sizes of Melunas range from the narrowest to the widest and the shortest to 1mm short of the longest so yes, there will probably be a few that will fit you. Similarly, there are many brands of cups (plus knockoffs) with nearly identical dimensions to each of the two Lunettes so you don't have to limit yourself to that brand to get those sizes. And if you decide to go for the wider large Lunette, consider its stiffness compared to other similarly sized cups.

Edited at 2013-05-23 01:46 pm (UTC)
k_alysonk_alyson on May 24th, 2013 04:32 am (UTC)
Thanks for the advice everyone! I will definitely try letting in some air after I insert the cup. That does sound like what might be happening - that the cup pops open and just needs some extra air in there. But I thought that the cup had opened since I did run my finger around the rim and I didn't feel any indentations or bulges. And I didn't experience any leakage either. So I just assumed I had it inserted correctly and opened.

I will have to play around with the folds more. I have been using the punch-down because it seems to be the easiest for me, even if it tends not to open all the time. A lot of the other folds tend to open before I have them inserted completely so I can't get them in the rest of the way easily. But I will have to try the origami and the half diamond again since they are similar to the punch-down and see if I can get better results with those.

As far as I know, I don't have a dangly cervix. And I had the same pop and suction issue when I wore the cup the right way out so I don't think the discomfort was caused by the stem poking anything. The pop didn't happen though until hours later and I experienced no leakage so I just figured I had the cup open. But it's sounding more and more like maybe the cup just wasn't opened yet. So I will work on trying to fix that issue first before deciding on what, if any, new cup to buy. I will take a look again at the cups to see if maybe another one would work better for me than the Lunette and the MeLuna.
sodabottlesodabottle on May 27th, 2013 10:57 pm (UTC)
I use the diva, and the punch down fold, and find getting it open is a two-step process. The entire first month I used it, it wasn't open properly, but it never leaked--I just got lucky. I insert the cup until the "bump" of the punch-down is inside, then I basically squeeze it out into an open shape (almost like squeezing toothpaste...I push the folded part back out.) This usually suctions and is fairly uncomfortable. I ease the cup further up, and then push on the edge until I get the "woosh" of air getting in. I know a lot of people here say spinning it is unnecessary, but I find it does help me know for sure that it's opened properly. Then I just kegel it the rest of the way up.
k_alysonk_alyson on May 28th, 2013 05:39 pm (UTC)
I will have to try this method too. Usually I can't get the cup to spin anyways so I try to check with my finger that the cup has opened. I thought it had been open but I guess my assumption had been wrong. I also wasn't adding the extra step of letting some air in which might be causing all my problems.