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05 May 2013 @ 07:08 pm
Hey peeps,

I originally got a small mooncupUK around a year ago but I was quite intimidated by the size of it (it's about as long me in there) and found it uncomfortable and painful and scary, as you do when you're new. So I ended up getting a meluna MINI small and it's been super dreamy but being the smallest cup on the market it loses out on the capacity side of things. So I decided to give my MCUK another shot today, now that I'm more experienced, and it actually went in just fine, but it's still a bit uncomfortable due to the pressure it's exerting on the walls of my vagina.

So here are my questions. Will my body get used to it and stop being uncomfortable? Will it make a difference to attempt to tone up my muscles by doing kegel excercises (whatever they are, squats and stuff?)? Or should I just look into getting a different cup and if so is it just a softer cup I need, or one that is as thin as the meluna, 40mm. There are a few cups that fit that criteria but I'd like to know if I can get better capacity by going up to 44mm like the MCUK because I am limited by having my cervix about 40-50mm in. So, too wide, too stiff, or both?

As for the background: 19, virgin and from New Zealand

Thanks cuppers
 
Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on May 5th, 2013 02:55 pm (UTC)
Because the Mooncup has a thick flared rim, yes, that part of it is quite stiff. There are many others of similar width that are shaped differently and don't have the stiff rim that you don't seem to like. Compare the dimensions and capacities of the cups that you have to others using one of the size charts at the FAQ or at http://sizecharts.livejournal.com/ and also follow the links to side by side comparison photos to see if another shape appeals to you more.

As for kegels... next time after you go pee, insert your finger and give it a little squeeze. Those are your (PC) pelvic floor muscles and that's what kegel exercises target. Above them, your vaginal walls are more involuntary than voluntary muscles.
jwthemathsterjwthemathster on May 5th, 2013 04:54 pm (UTC)
I also think that the stiffness and thick rim of the MCUK sounds not ideal for you. I do know from experience that replacing a stiff cup with a soft one of similar dimension can make all the difference in comfort and compatibility.

Since you know the Meluna S Mini works for you, perhaps you could try a Medium Meluna (probably in soft) or a small Fleurcup, which IMO has a similar softness to the soft Melunas. You'll get about double the capacity of the S Mini with those. If the MCUK fits, the M Meluna or S Fleurcup *should* as well.
Serpent: neutralserpent_849 on May 5th, 2013 08:08 pm (UTC)
i think a large meluna will definitely work for you, as long as you get it in soft. if the mooncup doesn't stick out of you, the large meluna won't either. thanks to its shape it should even sit a tiny bit higher than the mooncup.

as for getting used to the cup, sometimes it helps to give it a few hours. if you inserted it and took out at once, try to leave it in see how it goes.
mech_chick on May 6th, 2013 12:49 am (UTC)
Thanks for the info guys

I have the MCUK in again today and it's not so bad but I think it's putting pressure on my urinary tract because I couldn't pee very easily. Does that cause urinary tract infections? I think I read that about diaphragms. I forgot to check my pelvic floor muscles but I think I get what you were saying about them being not as high as the rim.
So anyway, might have to rehome the moon cup. The fleurcup sounds really good, thanks for the suggestion, I hadn't looked into it much. I'm less sure about the large meluna, I'm pretty surprised that my mooncup fits in (it nearly doesn't) but I appreciate the suggestion also; it's good to have options.

The moon cup was a bit of a mission to remove last night. The little meluna is so easy to get in and out that I'd pretty much avoided that whole learning curve. I feel like a cup newbie again...
teacupcake89 on May 6th, 2013 08:18 am (UTC)
My MCUK was my first cup too, I ended up trading it for a small and large Fleurcup (softer, easier to fold for insertion/removal, more capacity, no pressure on bladder etc)

The small MCUK is the largest of all the brands 'smalls' and the 'large' Meluna is about the same size but softer if you get the soft stiffness. The MCUK has a very thick stiff rim which can make it tricky/painful to insert/remove and the thickness and shape of the rim can cause pressure on the bladder. It has nothing to do with the tone of your pelvic floor muscles!! so don't worry about that.

As long as you make sure your empty your bladder properly you should be okay (pee before and after you insert the cup if possible, like UTI advice for sex) but I would definitely suggest getting a softer cup (Fleurcups, Si-bells, etc)

You also might find the pressure feeling goes away after a couple of cycles when you get through the learning curve, many find it can take that for the vagina to figure out what on earth is inside it (especially now you have a larger, stiffer cup)
tjstjstjstjstjstjs on May 6th, 2013 10:30 am (UTC)
My cervix is also only about 4cms inside and I found the same thing: The mooncup took up the whole of my insides, and the bottom of the cup was sitting past my pelvic bone, quite low where i could feel it and even probably see it if I was to move my labia apart.
I too have a mini MeLuna and agree with you, it's amazing. but for more capacity I have a Small Meluna, and a small Ladycup.
Jennifer and Serpent have suggested that you might find that a medium MeLuna would work for you, however if you are like me, it may not. I have tried a medium MeLuna and it was too long, even though it was a soft MeLuna I could feel it at the entrance of the vagina, which meant that it sat too low and i didn't have room to put it any higher.
I know that the small Meluna doesn't have huge capacity. Neither does the ladycup, but if you turn the ladycup inside out it seems to close off the holes, which means it has more capacity (but is harder to get out).
For me, I only have discomfort caused by the cup being too long and therefore sitting too low, I don't feel anything on my bladder (although sometimes I feel the cup against my rectum!). I may be that you need a shortish cup, and a soft-ish cup. I would recommend the small ladycup (I love it), or maybe a small Sckoon cup (I haven't tried it), because the small sckooncup has the holes quite high up allowing for more capacity.

Squats work the muscles in your butt cheeks, but not around your butt hole, lol. The kegel exercises work the muscles you use to hold in your pee or push out your poop (and to orgasm!) Doing kegel exercises might end up meaning that you need an even smaller cup, rather than the other way around, so it won't solve your problem. I say this because the larger cups are for older women, or women who've given birth - and that's because those things make you loose pelvic floor muscle tone, so you need a larger cup, so it follows that if you have good pelvic floor muscle tone, you'd take a smaller cup.
mech_chick on May 6th, 2013 11:29 am (UTC)
Wow we are alike! I can absolutely relate to what you're saying about the moon cup filling up all the space and probably being visible beneath the labia. And with the discomfort of it being too long, I was kinda feeling that before with my very full moon cup, couldn't wait to get it out, but it was fine earlier on in the day.

I wondered about both the Sckoon and the Ladycup, both great looking cups and I particularly like the engineering gone into the molding of the sckoon (I'm an engineering student) and the range of colours in the ladycup! Sckoon reckons that their small has a 23ml capacity which would be heaps, more than the fleurcup. Its so small that I'm not sure I believe them. Does anyone know? Also, might it be more prone to having some leak out if it doesn't fit quite as snugly to the walls of the vagina as a larger cup?

But what are the kegel excercises exactly? I just hear the name all the time. Whether I need to do them or not, I'm rather curious as to what they entail.
juliiie87juliiie87 on May 6th, 2013 12:02 pm (UTC)
The small Fleurcup holds a lot for a small sized cup, roughly between 20 and 25 ml. 23ml is the capacity to the brim, and contrary to what the sizecharts say, the Sckoon does have holes, so I doublt it holds more, they're pretty similar. If you'd like something very similar to a Fleurcup in either size but decidedly on the soft side there's the Si-bell. The propensity for leaks mostly depends on your own anatomy and how good you are at making sure it unfolds and sits around you're cervix.

Edited at 2013-05-06 12:04 pm (UTC)
jwthemathsterjwthemathster on May 6th, 2013 12:26 pm (UTC)
I don't know much about the Sckoon, but I have both a Ladycup and Fleurcup (although both in Large, but the small equivalents are equal in dimensions as well). The Fleurcup really does have much more real capacity, due to the higher set holes and a bit wider at the base. I'm a mathematics student, so I totally geek out over this stuff, too LOL! Fleurcup really figured out how to maximize capacity, while maintaining similar dimensions to competing brands (Ladycup and Lunette, for example).
tjstjstjstjstjstjs on May 7th, 2013 12:01 am (UTC)
I think I'm going to make a new post in the forum asking about this sckoon cup. I would be really keen to try one if I could be sure that I could get it to pop open rather than me having to swirl my finger around it.
To address Juliiie87's concern - the reason the sckoon cup has such good capacity is due to the placement of the air holes, on the outside the holes are on the side of the cup, on the inside they come out near the top.
The small Fleurcup is also an option, like Jennifer suggests. I have a friend who loves hers. It's slightly bigger than the ladycup, but smaller than the MeLuna medium, according to that chart. For me though, I think the ladycup is as big as I could go. the Medium MeLuna is only 2mm longer and wider but already too big! Gah!
mech_chick on May 7th, 2013 12:30 am (UTC)
Decisions decisions! I think i'll get the sckoon then I can tell you how it goes since we're very similar, tjstjstjs. I'm very excited about more capacity and squishyness!
tjstjstjstjstjstjs on May 7th, 2013 02:06 am (UTC)
Awesome!
I made a post asking for some details about it (especially opening it) on the main page (it seems it's waiting for approval - did that happen to you too?)
Let me know how it goes with opening.
And if it doesn't work out you can always sterilise it and resell on the mc-sales page.
PS, one more thing in common. I'm also a kiwi :)
mech_chick on May 7th, 2013 05:41 am (UTC)
A kiwi?! We're practically soulmates! Just kidding.
Not sure about the approval thing. Maybe try posting again if it doesn't show up.
I'll keep you posted, and I'll put some pictures up since I feel that Sckoon comparison pics are woefully lacking.
tjs77tsa on May 7th, 2013 03:48 am (UTC)
There is a small and a large sckoon on the sale board
mech_chick on May 7th, 2013 05:42 am (UTC)
Thanks! But I already ordered one, oh well.