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12 April 2013 @ 02:25 pm
Hi all..I am 49, have had two kids (both now teenagers). I know I have a low cervix and a tilted uterus. I just purchased a medium classic MeLuna cup and tried it during my current cycle. No problems putting it in and getting it to pop open (and it turns fairly easily when I do that) but as soon as I start walking, it slips down so much so that the little ball can be seen when I look with a mirror, and I can actually feel it through the minipad if I put my hand down there to adjust it. It feels like it is going to come out but doesn't - I exercised yesterday (weights and walking) and it didn't pop out. So yesterday morning (second day of cycle) I inserted, it slipped down after walking around getting ready for work, so I took it out and re-inserted it higher up. That time, it felt like it "grabbed" or suctioned around my cervix and I had a difficult time making sure it was open and turning it - and it leaked (which it had not done in the lower but more uncomfortable position) and caused pain. I ended up having to go back to pads and tampons late yesterday because it just wasn't comfortable.

I was going to look into getting a shorter cup - maybe the MeLuna without the ball and in the smaller size (I don't mind emptying it more frequently if I have to, as long as it stays up where it needs to be) and was hoping someone could help me figure out if a softer cup would be something that I should try, too. Incidentally, I used the cup all night the first night and it didn't slip down or leak and was almost full in the morning - so it's only working its way down when I walk around.

Any advice would be appreciated! Thanks!
juliiie87juliiie87 on April 12th, 2013 07:11 pm (UTC)
I don't know who decided twisting and turning was good advice to give cup newbies, but I wish I could twist and turn them too (Looking at you, DivaCup!). I never bothered with this crap, since for me, turning the cup means I would ruin any seal I had going on. When my cup is sealed, it won't move unless I pinch the base, which allows air in between my flesh and the cup, thus breaking the seal. Other ways to check for a seal include gently tugging on the stem (should cause resistance) and feeling around the cup with you finger, which also allows air in between your flesh and the cup, to help it unfold.

Cups are held in place by your pelvic muscles, so if those happen to be weak for whatever reason, they might not do the job properly. That is one reason manufacturers often recommend women who've had babies use the larger size. However, in your case, it could also be that you have a low cervix and the cup can't sit higher comfortably due to that fact. I would ask how low your cervix is, and if that's much lower than the length of the cup. Combining those 2 theories, I would advise looking into the MINI medium Meluna, as it is both wider and shorter than the medium : http://sizecharts.livejournal.com/
Wider cups often have a tendency to sit higher. But for now you might want to practice inserting the cup different ways, see if you can get it to behave if you stop twisting.

Edited at 2013-04-12 07:14 pm (UTC)
Kai: 50IsntOldkuradi8 on April 12th, 2013 09:39 pm (UTC)
I'm in a rush so no time to explain but check out a large Fleur cup. Good "Mom" size.
m03m on April 13th, 2013 08:41 am (UTC)
I second this advice. The wider, rounded shape makes it less eager to escape.
I'm not a mom, but I have a low cervix and my pelvic muscles are not especially strong. The large Fleurcup works really well for me. I cut the stem off completely and even filed the grip rings down so there's that option... you don't sound to me like you need a stem.
Kai: 50IsntOldkuradi8 on April 13th, 2013 01:26 pm (UTC)
Others have said it much better than I would have been able to. Yes, the dimensions and shape of the high capacity large Fleur cup and the low capacity medium Mini Meluna would probably suit you well. Compare them to the cup you have at http://sizecharts.livejournal.com/ and also in side by side comparison photos.

Your anatomy sounds a lot like mine. I use a large Lunette (which has the same dimensions but a different shape as the large Fleur) as my high capacity cup and I love it but I wonder if the softer Fleur cup wouldn't be more comfortable on my heavy BLECH days. The Lunette has a pointy base that sometimes feels like it's trying to escape if I exert myself so the Fleur's blunt base would probably be less inclined to feel like it's trying to poke through. And cutting the stem would allow any cup to sit at a slight angle if necessary. (Ball stems can stay.)

As for positioning any cup... Despite what the instructions and illustrations say, the idea is to get it to sit (O) around the cervix. My method is to insert it so the rim is just beyond the pubic bone, let it open fully there and then give it a boost aiming the opening at my cervix as I kegel it up and into place. I find that it's easier to pop open down low than trying to get air "all the way up there" if it's deeper. Since I know it's already open, there's no reason to twist or otherwise fiddle with the cup.

So bottom line... I think the size and shape of the cup you have is fighting you. A better-fitting cup will make you a lot happier.

And on a final note... peri-menopause has been torturing me with surprise periods, incessant spotting and other woes. Now that I'm just about done, I'm SOOOOO GLAD that I had/have cups to get me through this very unpredictable time of life. I hope you won't "NEED" your cup(s) like I needed mine but I think you will also appreciate the convenience over disposables.
karenb326 on April 13th, 2013 06:34 pm (UTC)
Thanks to everyone for the advice! I compared the pics of the large Fleur to the medium Meluna and the large Fleur looks longer! Do you really think it will behave and stay up where it needs to? I'd have to trim the stem totally off because the ball stem on the medium Meluna sticks out when the cup slips down. I see on the Fleur web site that it looks like they are all the same with regard to firmness...or am I reading it wrong?

Jennifer Monoteasy2begreen on April 13th, 2013 07:01 pm (UTC)
I think the larger cups sometimes sit a little higher because they can go around your cervix (your cervix may displace a little of the volume, but the large Fleur will probably still hold more than the medium Meluna). A number of people on this board who have low cervices seem to be happy with their large Fleurcups. I haven't handled a large Fleur, but Julie says that it is softer than the small Fleur, which feels about as stiff as my small Lunette.

There's an unused large Fleur going for $22 with free shipping on the MC sales board, if you're interested: http://mc-sales.livejournal.com/122128.html
Kai: 50IsntOldkuradi8 on April 13th, 2013 07:13 pm (UTC)
Yes, the large Fleur is longer than your medium Meluna. It is also wider both at the rim and around the body.

The medium Meluna is 41Wx48L and falls under the category of "teenager-sized" cups. Even if you have "PCs of Steel" your 49yo and 2-kids-later vaginal walls above them probably lack the tone to hold a narrow cup in place.

Because you can see and feel your Meluna at your vaginal entrance, I suspect your PCs are (for lack of a better phrase) "too weak to hold your cup in." If you insert your finger and give it a little squeeze, those muscles should form a "hammock" that holds your cup in. Yours is getting past them. They can be toned with kegel exercises combined with squats and lower abdominal crunches. As with any exercise, it takes persistence and patience to see results.

The medium Mini Meluna is 45Wx45L so the good news is that it's wider and shorter than your medium (regular) Meluna. The bad news is that it's conical in shape. And would that pointy end help wedge its way out?

The large Fleur is 46Wx52L. Both the rim and body shape are wider. But yes, it is a longer cup. Would its blunt base be easier to cradle in your PC hammock?

These are questions only you can answer for yourself. Trust your instincts, go with your gut.

Edited for bad grammar.

Edited at 2013-04-13 07:14 pm (UTC)
karenb326 on April 13th, 2013 08:07 pm (UTC)
Again, many thanks! And you're right, I'm sure I'm not as toned as I should be in that area, and I'm not a regular kegel-er, so that probably explains it. I did see the Fleur on the board so I may give that a shot.

This forum is great - I really appreciate all of the help and the quick comments and replies!

On a positive note - my daughter (19) bought a small MeLuna and LOVES it. She's had much success with it on her first use this month and has mentioned that she may want a medium one as well, so the one I bought for myself won't sit idle for long.

Thanks again!
Eireinneireinn on April 13th, 2013 01:10 am (UTC)
I have the same cup, and mine also sits very low. I also have a low cervix. Unlike you though, I've never had kids.

I'm quite happy with my cup, as it's comfortable where it sits even though the ball stem does poke out just a tiny bit. It doesn't leak where it is and I've not had any problems with it there. I wouldn't worry about trying to get it higher unless it's actually uncomfortable, but a wider, shorter cup may be better for you if you are uncomfortable with it sitting so low.
tjs77tsa on April 13th, 2013 04:23 am (UTC)
I would try a mini medium also it is the only cup that doesn't stick out a little for me although the ones that do don't bother me.
femininewearfemininewear on April 15th, 2013 04:15 pm (UTC)
I had the same problem last month and I have been using cups for years with no problems.
I am 47 and think I am entering peri-menopause as my periods are changing a bit. Last month at dancing I just couldn't keep the cup in, it was very strange. This month it has been fine.
I put it down to the menopause approaching, and my changing body.