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02 March 2013 @ 12:59 am
Just like it says: a post about measurements!

Random questions! (Answer any, all, or none!)
Do you measure your flow? (Do you have a cup that measures your flow?)
Do you feel you have a heavy or light flow?

If you measure-- how much are your heaviest days? lightest?

Why I am asking:
I am considering getting myself yet ANOTHER cup, still not entirely convinced that what I have is working for me. I have a small Lunette, that tends to leak on my heavy days, but is comfortable to wear. I have a Large Fleur which is uncomfortable to wear, although it doesn't leak. And I have a knock-off Jasmine (basically a Diva with a longer stem). On about Day 3? last time around, I finally decided to trim the stem, which made it much more comfortable to wear. I had started thinking about getting a different cup before I trimmed the stem and was debating a Cuplee. I still am, somewhat.

The difference in capacity...
Small Lunette ~21 mL
Small Diva ~23 mL?
Large Fleur ~29 mL
Cuplee ~25 mL.

So really I came to the question of... how much difference does a few mL make? a Cuplee is only 2 mL more than the Jasmine (Diva comparison). I am one of those people with a heavy 2-3 first days, then a light 3-4 days that follow. I don't know what "heavy" means to me, though, to know how much capacity I really need.

So anything you can share about measurements/capacity/what they mean to you, I'd love to hear! Thanks.
Serpent: neutralserpent_849 on March 2nd, 2013 02:58 pm (UTC)
you basically need to figure out what makes your fleurcup uncomfortable. the shape? the grip 'rings'? (flip it inside out to make it smooth)
in general i would say a wider cup is better for the capacity....
does your lunette leak or does it overflow? is it full when you remove it? if it's not full, your cervix is taking up some space so some width and length should help.
mood_swinger23 on March 2nd, 2013 05:28 pm (UTC)
Shape/size. Too big, too much pressure, can always tells its in, drives me crazy.
Which is why I was looking at something more narrow and more V. Ie, why I've chosen Cuplee as my option.

My Lunette leaks, nearly right after putting it in. I tried to mess with it last time around, made sure it was open and everything, and I'm still pretty sure it leaked. And besides that I know it doesn't have the capacity I need even if it doesn't leak.
=Cuplee has similar shape for comfort, but more capacity.

Jasmine works/doesn't leak, but I haven't tried it on heavy days.
=Could still get a Cuplee for backup or for a bit more capacity, since I don't plan on using my Fleur anymore.

Hence... wanting to know the difference between a few mL/difference in capacity. I already know what I'm looking at and why, I just need to know about how much measurements matter, not how to make what I have work. The only one that could work at this point is Jasmine, which as mentioned I could still try, but am still considering Cuplee anyway.

Edited at 2013-03-02 05:30 pm (UTC)
Serpent: neutralserpent_849 on March 2nd, 2013 06:12 pm (UTC)
well, it's all mathematics. if a cup holds 25 ml and lasts you 5 hours, then a 30 ml one will hold 20% more and give you an extra hour.
definitely try what you have first. there are various V-shaped cups, consider a large miacup which clearly has a higher capacity than a cuplee. also true about the large naturcup and green donna (if you can find it on ebay... my mum has one and loves it). these are all soft, if you don't mind stiff there's of course the large yuuki which is pretty much the best capacity you can get. (i don't think you should try an XL meluna as it's so similarly shaped to the fleurcup)
juliiie87juliiie87 on March 2nd, 2013 07:11 pm (UTC)
I've heard that Yuuki's soft version has been reinstated... so that's another option.

I'm no use in the capactiy talk, I have a very light flow. I almost filled my medium Meluna on my first, heaviest day, and two days from then it seems to flow no heavier than my usual moisture, meaning I mostly see it when I wipe, so it's cloth time.
Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on March 2nd, 2013 03:06 pm (UTC)
"Heavy" is different for everyone. It's all relative to each of our individual bleeding patterns. If the difference between 20 and 30ml means (easiest pronoun) you can go all day before it needs attention, then the difference is less critical than those for whom that extra 10ml means being able to make it through a class at school or to a break at a strict workplace.

Do you really want/need the extra capacity? Or do you just want to justify a new cup? ;o) (Go ahead, get another if you want!)

As for the large Fleur being uncomfortable... I assume that because it's a high capacity cup, you're using it on your heaviest days. Could it be that you're just more sensitive on those days?
mood_swinger23 on March 2nd, 2013 05:48 pm (UTC)
It's possible, but it's usually I can just feel it.

And yes, I need the extra capacity to some extent. *If* the Lunette were working (and maybe it has on some days), it just doesn't hold up enough. The Jasmine has decent capacity, I just haven't used it on my heavy days. Cuplee has just a bit more capacity than Diva/Jasmine, I believe, which would put me closer towards the Fleur I bought for the purpose of having more capacity.
Jennifer Monoteasy2begreen on March 2nd, 2013 03:51 pm (UTC)
I have one heavy morning (the second day of my cycle; the first day is spotting, and I don't really bleed at night) on which I can fill up my LadyCup in 2-4 hours, so I've been looking for a higher capacity cup that works as well as my LadyCup. The small Lunette, small Fleur, and NaturalMamma have each leaked (though only once per cup -- just enough that I'm not sure I trust them fully!) when I've tried them at this time. They're not full when they leak, so I actually seem to get more mileage out of my smaller LadyCup. After that -- literally the first couple hours after I've gotten up -- my LadyCup is easily able to handle everything for the remaining 2-3 days. I never manage to fill a cup past that second morning, even after leaving it in for 8+ hours.

I'm also seriously tempted by a Cuplee, which seems like it might work as well for me as the LadyCup, but I'm going to try the Jasmine on my heavy day to see how well it works out first.
mood_swinger23 on March 2nd, 2013 05:51 pm (UTC)
I decided I had no major emotional attachment to keeping my Jasmine intact and cut it down. I can't remember if you mentioned trimming yours or not, but I would recommend trying. I plan on trying it on my heavier days at some point, but in the case it doesn't work, I don't really have another option. Which is why I need to buy myself a cup now before 'next time' comes around!
inazumarionrhodinazumarionrhod on March 2nd, 2013 04:14 pm (UTC)
Hello! I have a DivaCup, so I can measure flow. I've only used a cup for one cycle so far, so I don't have a lot to go by, but I do think it's useful to see when your flow is at its heaviest or lightest. For my size, I'd say I have a pretty heavy flow; I filled the model 1 Diva to its brim in less than six hours once, and I bleed pretty steadily until the last day or so. My first few days are heaviest, and I think it's the first 36-48 hours that are the worst for me. Very, very heavy. My lightest is definitely the last day; I left it in upwards of 12 hours and didn't even have half the cup full.

Like the others have said, capacity and flow are pretty relative. Think of how long you want or need to go without emptying rather than going on the fact that others can leave it in for X number of hours. I'd say that if it lasts you six hours or less at any time, yeah, you might think of checking into something with a higher capacity. But if the cup isn't quite full when you take it out, even though it's leaking, you probably should pay attention to shape and width, too; something different may work better. I think my Diva is good for "in-between" days, because it doesn't seem to leak much then but the size/capacity still doesn't seem like overkill. (I might actually look into something smaller/ less stiff for the last couple days, because it starts to feel a little uncomfortable towards the end.) I'm thinking of something with more capacity/wider shape for better suiting my heavier days--XL MeLuna Soft with a ring stem is my first choice at the moment, because if it's comfortable enough, I may just be able to use it all period long with no worries. ;)
neetzscheneetzsche on March 2nd, 2013 04:59 pm (UTC)
Average menstrual flow per period is 40-50 mL. "Excessive" menstrual flow is considered 80 mL or more.(source)

Out of curiosity, I have used my lunette to measure my flow off the pill and it was about 90mL altogether. Most of that volume (almost 60mL) are from my first and second day. After that, I bleed about 10 mL a day until I'm empty.

But that's just me, it's different for everyone. Try measuring a cycle, it'll definitely help determining your cup needs.

Right now I am trying different cups and my goal is to pare down to only 2: a high volume cup and a "comfort" cup. I have found that the difference in volume between L lunette and L fleur is very small but the shape of the fleur means I leak less on my heavy days.

Oh, and it's ok to have as many cups as you want. The non-toxic nature and long lifespan of a cup mean that it is not too wasteful to have multiple of them. Plus, if what you have really isn't working for you, MC-sales is a good way to get rid of them guilt-free if you don't have any friends interested.
Serpent: neutralserpent_849 on March 2nd, 2013 06:16 pm (UTC)
well as for that 80ml thing, it was not measured by people using cups. it's the measurement that someone got from somewhere, based on pads and tampons capacities. not all the liquid that comes out is blood. we had a poll about that, and on the extreme end there were people with 300+ ml per cycle.
neetzscheneetzsche on March 2nd, 2013 06:42 pm (UTC)
Oh, I see, the 80mL in that survey is only the blood portion of menses alone? Wow, 300mL. I feel blessed right now.
Serpent: neutralserpent_849 on March 2nd, 2013 07:44 pm (UTC)
well supposed to be. but really it seems like a number out of thin air. and afaiu nowadays the more sensible guideline is considered to be 'if the woman says it's heavy, then it is'.
Kathlynekathlyne on March 6th, 2013 03:37 am (UTC)
I think I read somewhere that "normal" flow is 30-70mL. Those numbers just make me laugh. I measure (sometimes) and last month I hit 70 mLs in my first 24 hours and ended up with a total of like 165.

I have the large Diva, Yuuki, and Lunette. The Lunette works best for me. I have to empty it a lot more often than I'd like, but that's life.
neetzscheneetzsche on March 6th, 2013 03:48 am (UTC)
Yeah, I thought those numbers sounded low. I'm measuring this cycle and I'm almost at 80mL on my 3rd night. That's what I get for not eating my kale, I suppose.
Winter Loverelvenqueen86 on March 6th, 2013 07:19 am (UTC)
I usually end up with around 180 ml during the "normal part" of my period (sometimes my periods last a week or two longer than normal). I was told that alone is excessive and worthy of a diagnoses of menorrhagia (heavy prolonged periods). IDK though, it's never seemed like a lot to me? Maybe because it's just always been this way.
Kathlynekathlyne on March 6th, 2013 05:34 pm (UTC)
I used to hear horror stories growing up about the experiences my mom and aunt had, so I just considered myself lucky, even though I knew I was having heavier periods than my friends. I'm not willing to go on the pill...but I'm serious when I say if I could have a trans-vag hysterectomy with local anesthesia I'd do it.
selofain: Otilia- mad grinselofain on March 3rd, 2013 01:58 am (UTC)
I measure my flow!

Excel tells me that my average, since I started using a cup and keeping track two and a half years ago, is 57.3 ml with a standard deviation of 18 ml. High is 125 ml and low is 27 ml. Since I started taking multivitamins with iron in them several months ago, my flow has hovered around 62-63 ml, barring unusual circumstances.

(I'm currently taking statistics. Can you tell? :P)

My flow is heavy (low 20s) for the first two days, it may or may not drop to ~15 ml the third day, my fourth day may drop to 5 ml, and I spot (barely) after that to my seventh or eighth day. I've generally considered my flow to be lightish medium.

I've comfortably used a small Yuuki (soft), small Lunette, and a small Si-bell. I use a popsicle stick that marks off the depth of each ml to measure my flow (so yes, each cup has its own measuring stick), so I'm confident in my flow measurements.

Since all my cups have identical capacities, I can't really help with regards to capacity differences. I think V-shaped cups work a bit better for me than U-shaped cups, but I haven't used a U-shaped cup long enough to really know if that's a factor. Maybe V-shaped cups are just work better for you as well.