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UPDATE 2/21: The Lunette is still leaking and too low of capacity for heavy days. I've decided the Fleur is just TOO big. Nothing I seem to do can make it comfortable. Fold issues, insertion and removal issues, feeling stretched out when it's been out for a while, etc. Just don't like it or even the idea of it right now. Not going to deal with it because all it's done is piss me off. Unless I cut down the stem on the Jasmine to try next time (two heaviest days are over now) I'm not sure what else to do short of getting a fourth cup. I either cross my fingers that the Jasmine will work, find a FOURTH cup to try, or give up on cups entirely and have to stick to cloth, which I've discovered I'm really horrible about keeping up with.

Alright. So I now have 3 different cups. A "Jasmine" (Diva with Fleur stem?), a Large Fleur, and a small Lunette.

This will be cycle 3 using a cup. I still haven't gotten the hang of it yet. I have a high cervix so I'm afraid to cut any of the stems in the case I need them for my lighter days; on heavy/short cervix days they tend to bother me though.

I used the Jasmine on my semi lighter days and it seemed to work okay. On my lightest, I'm just using liners. On my heaviest days when the Fleur works, it works okay. As my cervix gets higher, it hurts too much to take out and I really don't like it. Capacity seems alright, but I'm still suffering leaks regardless. The Lunette's holes seem to clog up quickly (I clean them each time) and besides trying to enlarge them, as someone previously recommended, I'm not sure what else to do. I think I like the Lunette the best in terms of comfort, but it doesn't seem to hold up well enough to capacity and leaks.

I tried to turn my Jasmine inside-out, with no luck. It didn't keep it's shape well when I tried to put it in.

I tried to find my cervix and angle it towards it, but I don't think I'm getting it to sit in the right place.

So I have three options, yet with all I'm having leaks (it's not RS, it's full on leaks), stem irritation, and size/rim irritation at least with the Fleur.

Suggestions so I don't run into these problems in the next few days? Suggestions for another cup? I'm still considering a Large Meluna or something else, but can't get one in the next 2 days when I'd need it.
juliiie87juliiie87 on February 19th, 2013 02:27 pm (UTC)
I'd say keep the Fleur for your heavy, low-cervix days and the Jasmine/Lunette for when you need more length and not so much capacity. You might also still improve your removal technique over time... Other cups : NaturalMamma for the length, large Si-bell is a softer version of the Fleurcup, if that'll make it more comfortable. You know I love my Cuplee, but it's the length of the Fleur with less capacity so idk about that. At this point I wouldn't waste your luck on a shorter/narrower cup. OH how about a soft Yuuki ? Long, soft, high capacity, long stem!

Edited at 2013-02-19 02:29 pm (UTC)
mood_swinger23 on February 20th, 2013 05:50 am (UTC)
I tried to get it in before, and as always, I have issues with it. I can't get it to open (trying origami, c-fold, whatever). If I force it open or try to get air in on the way up, it just hurts because it's too open and.. yeah. That's falls under the whole "size" issue I guess. I tried to turn it inside out to get rid of the stem and not have to cut it, but I couldn't get it in anyway!

Removal of the Fleur is only a pain when it gets higher up and I have to tug on the stem to lower it (suction on cervix= owie). Besides capacity being a plus, I honestly am not in love with my Fleur. Which stinks! My other cups I don't have many issues with removal, or insertion! Just my Fleur!

I like the texture of my cups, which is why I asked about the Cuplee. It looked a bit more slippery and that worried me. And apparently it's a lot more than some other cups. I think I like the shape of it more, though. It's more like my Lunette, and is a bit more narrow around the rim (although that's not supposed to matter too much). It is less capacity but as long as I could just find something that a. doesn't leak and b. stays in place for when I need it to, that'd be lovely! I still wonder if a stiffer cup could help, since I move SO much and am afraid I probably squish it and add to the leaks part of the time. But now that I've tried all mine, I like the idea of the Cuplee more than before. Sigh.

Si-bell I think I'll have to nix, knowing that the Fleur is my least favorite cup right now! I just don't think I like the shape/size, at least on the large. The small could work, but I'm pretty sure that'd just be similar to my Lunette! Maybe even smaller! So it's not worth it. Yuuki I'll have to look into some.
juliiie87juliiie87 on February 20th, 2013 08:33 am (UTC)
Labia fold facing down, is all I ever use with bell-shaped cup. In the case of my Fleur, it actually made it hard to keep it folded until it was fully in. As always, lying back is easiest for newbies (or when starting with a new cup). I'll have to agree that removal is trickier with such a large bell-shaped cup, which stresses the need for some kind of refolding, but I know that can be a struggle to master... still learning.

Cuplee is MUCH easier for me in those regards, that's for sure. At least with my special intricate fold trick. ;) A friend online had trouble popping hers open until she tried it.
Yuuki sounds like a bigger version of the Cuplee, so it sounds about right for your needs (length & capacity).
mood_swinger23 on February 20th, 2013 07:18 pm (UTC)
I will have to look that one up and maybe try it again. I've been trying the Origami (think it's different, but that could be the one with two names?). The problem isn't as much getting it in as getting air in it to open. I can get it in, but then I lean it forward or back to try to get air to get in, and I have to pull so far one way or the other, basically the whole rim is out by that time and I can't scrunch it enough to shove it back in and have to start over again. With no luck.

Got my Lunette in for now and may just try to use it consistently this week since it's the one I've had the most luck with so far to this point. Less stem problems this time (albeit I went to bed right away so that maybe helped avoid them) and got it to unfold. Haven't really ever had issues with insertion or removal.
juliiie87juliiie87 on February 20th, 2013 10:01 pm (UTC)

I should probably post about it : I've come to the conclusion that either labia OR half diamond are the 2 truely foolproof folds for any cup, depending on whether it's pointy or bell-shaped. It's different from origami, and the reason it works so well is because you get to poke the first bit that you folded just by inserting a finger along underneath the cup, its extremely simple and automatically makes it unfold.
mood_swinger23 on February 22nd, 2013 03:34 am (UTC)
For the life of me, I can't get that fold to stay. It always ends up onpopping the pinched part and I can't get it to hold. I decided to try the punchdown again though, since it was similar. I got it in, but when it popped open it hurt. I've had some pressure on/off all day with it in, hurt when it took it out even with pinching the bottom like I always do. And still hurting since I took it out about a half hour ago, so I was NOT about to put it back in, to pop it open from a punchdown, and have it just hurt all over again.

It doesn't leak, and it holds more than the Lunette, I like the material/color, it folds OK, and that's it. Body wise I kind of hate it. It isn't comfortable at all...I really do think there is such a thing as a cup being too big. So I think I either have to shorten the stem of the Jasmine to try to use on my heavier days, empty the Lunette out excessively (woke up this morning with it leaking, but holes weren't clogged), find a fourth cup, or not use a cup at all. :/

I'm pissed.
Jennifer Monoteasy2begreen on February 22nd, 2013 03:48 pm (UTC)
Have you tried bearing down with the Jasmine to see if you can remove it by the base (rather than the stem)? That might tell you how far you can trim the stem. I have a fairly average height cervix (3 - 3.5") and have used a stemless (and gripless!) cup. You do have to bear down more, but I haven't had too much trouble removing them. I'm also contemplating trimming my Jasmine stem by a notch or two.

I don't have a large Fleur, but I do have a NaturalMamma, which is slightly narrower and longer in the body (and a smidge softer). It's my biggest cup (43cm circumference), and while it's not as horrible as your large Fleur is for you, I can definitely feel it more. Even with the small Lunette, which is very slightly more flared than my LadyCup, I can feel more pressure.
teacupcake89 on February 23rd, 2013 11:31 am (UTC)
are you using both hands to keep the cup folded until you want it to open up and then let go slowly?

I would suggest putting lots of lube on yourself before removal, really helps with feeling sore and uncomfortable!

also you mention having to pull on the Fleur's stem for removal? are you bearing down so the stem is lower down/easier to grab? (several pushes not just one big push can be more effective) also if you bear down while pulling the stem that can help with any suction-y feeling.

it's still early days, so there's a strong chance your technique will improve with more practice (and trying to stay positive!)