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28 January 2013 @ 10:32 pm
(PS- can we add the tag "pressure"?)
I read the rules and checked the tabs and although one recent post was somewhat similar, I thought it'd be better to ask.

I'm nearly 28 and although I'm not a virgin I rarely have intercourse and have not had children. I've been using my DivaCup for 2 years. I also have irregular periods, and VERY severe cramping for the first day even though the blood flow is normal or light.

Because of the irregular periods, I don't get to use my DivaCup (smaller size) every month, so when I do use it it sometimes hurts like it's "the first time". But, inserting/removing is not the problem, I get used to it after the second day.

The problem is the pressure, and there are two kinds of it that I experience and the last two months I just decided to heck with it and used pads!

There is both a pressing feeling around my vaginal wall, like pushing against my bladder even and making me feel "full", and also sometimes an awkward pulling sensation on my cervix, like depending on how I'm sitting, if I'm "bearing down" or "bearing up" (kegels) just from standing or whatever, or sometimes just after I insert it, and walk out of the bathroom, it feels like I didn't get the suction right. I mean, the suction is most definitely working but it's pulling or pushing on my cervix and causing this awkward pain.

The awkward pain is enough for me to actually go and reinsert it (clean it out, reinsert it, opening hurting even more...) but the pressure against the wall of my vagina... it's pretty irritating. And the pressure on the sides, has made my bad cramping worse and...

**Actually the last two menstrual cycles, I put the cup in when I could tell I was about to get my period, but then it delayed! I felt like maybe my uterus wasn't able to contract properly to release the blood/tissue because of the involuntary muscles(?) holding onto the cup! When I took it out, my period happened like normal.

And if I've already taken it out and my period STARTS, I really can't put it back in because the cramping is so bad, that in combination with the various pressure pains, it's just very uncomfortable.

This really sucks because other than this annoying pressure, I *LOVE* the DivaCup. No leaks, don't have to worry about it all day, no blood on my pubic hair, no pads bunching up.. And omg, riding a bike with a pad is so disgusting, and my bike is my main mode of transportation!

(In addition, it seems to come out a little when I go to the bathroom and not take it out, but it usually goes back into place... except the last few months I haven't even really used it much)
m03m on January 28th, 2013 04:00 pm (UTC)
I don't see an actual question in your message. Are you asking for suggestions for a different cup?
If so, how high is your cervix?
love_rainbowlove_rainbow on January 29th, 2013 01:46 pm (UTC)
Didn't actually ask but ....
Sorry the questions were about whether anyone else had these experiences and what could be the cause as well as any suggestions about how to go about dealing with them.

Also I have no idea how high my cervix is, doesn't it move depending on the time on month, what you're doing, how you're sitting, and how stimulated you are anyway? How does one go about measuring it?
m03m on January 29th, 2013 04:53 pm (UTC)
Re: Didn't actually ask but ....
Yes, you're right, the cervix does move around. But that doesn't mean that it will not have an area where it generally sits.
The best time to measure is during your period, as that's when it's generally lowest, and that's when you'll be using the cup.

Measuring just means feeling for it with your finger. If you can hardly reach it, or not at all, it's high; if you can reach it easily, and it's 'right there', less than half of your index finger inside, it's low. So that should give you some idea.
Hope that helps!
juliiie87juliiie87 on January 28th, 2013 04:04 pm (UTC)
I don't think you need a new tag... In my humble opinion the first kind of pressure is due to stiffness, and the second would be suction. You actually want to relieve it : http://menstrual-cups.livejournal.com/2091967.html

Another factor you could investigate is length, since the Diva is one of the longest out there, it may or may not be to long, especially if you feel like it's trying to poke out. So all in all, you might want to get a slightly shorter, definitely softer cup. http://sizecharts.livejournal.com/

Also my cups never prevented my period to start, and many people wear their cups in advance with no ill effect... I mean, it's hard for me to tell IF and when my period has started while wearing a cup, I only know for ure once I take it out...^^

Edited at 2013-01-28 09:44 pm (UTC)
love_rainbowlove_rainbow on January 29th, 2013 01:56 pm (UTC)
I haven't had the opportunity to even look at other brands in person but I was thinking that the cup might be kind of stiff. Right now I don't really have the means to buy them online and they don't sell cups at all in the country I live in. I bought my DivaCup when I was visiting the US, so that's the only one I've seen. But from looking online, it actually looks like one of the smaller, softer ones, but definitely not the softest.

I seem to be able to wear it ok after the heavy cramping day is done, but I still feel a "fullness" in my whole pelvic area, like I've got gas built up, and sometimes when I move I can feel/hear (except not really hearing, it's like internally hearing...I dunno if I'm making any sense) a sort of popping shifting...

But it doesn't leak or anything, all I can think of is that it moves or something, and air bubbles are moving around as it moves.

The poking out is really only the tail bit. I could cut more off but... now that I actually put it back in after the heavy cramping day I realize it's a whole lot easier to have in it, and it doesn't stick out at all. I just have the popping/shifting and fullness pressure now that I mentioned above.

I don't know, maybe I just really really press down hard, like actually having contractions, on my first day, I mean, there have been times when I seriously thought I was losing consciousness from the pain, stuff got all floaty. It was cool but.. not the pain, obviously.
love_rainbowlove_rainbow on January 29th, 2013 02:10 pm (UTC)
Just commenting again to say that I read the link. Even though I do feel this cervical pressure thing too, that is painful enough for me to actually take it out and reinsert it, it really makes me wonder about this whole "suction/seal" thing. As the OP said, suction has to come from air somewhere, but if the holes are creating a seal, the air would have to come from both inside and outside the vagina... right..? so there could be a pulling-down on the cervix causing pain. I don't know...

The OP also said that it's held in place by vagina muscles, so... maybe that's why I just really can't handle it before and on the first day - I'm just contracting too much. My body is extremely sensitive to things even like my own thoughts, so if I'm concentrating on holding onto the cup, it could possibly delay contractions to release the blood... I'm just guessing but my body is like that with other things too...
juliiie87juliiie87 on January 29th, 2013 04:50 pm (UTC)
Well yeah, basically you need to let air in from the outside, so it doesn't attempt to suck it from your cervix. ;) One way is to create an indent with your finger.

And the Diva is medium stiffness, medium width, and amongst the longest, when compared to others. It's all on the other page I linked.
Also on this stiffness chart : http://menstrualcupinfo.wordpress.com/cup-stiffness-comparison-chart/

Seal and suction are different, in that a seal shouldn't cause pressure in itself. The muscles holding it in place mostly means that, your flesh closes around the cup and forms a seal. Now I agree that stiffness can sometimes make it uncomfortable on some days, depending on how sensitive you are, and that's why I sugessted a softer cup. Just fyi Divas in real shops are often more expensive than most cups bought online.

Edited at 2013-01-29 04:53 pm (UTC)
Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on January 28th, 2013 04:13 pm (UTC)
Edited to delete what juliiie already said.

Your Diva is already a fairly soft cup so I think either its length or its shape are what's making it so uncomfortable. Using any of the various size charts, compare its dimensions to other cups. Eliminate ones that you don't think would fit and then use side-by-side photos to compare the shapes of those that remain.

In the mean time, if you think its length is what's bothering you, flip it inside out to shorten it and see if things improve.

Edited at 2013-01-28 04:14 pm (UTC)
love_rainbowlove_rainbow on January 29th, 2013 02:17 pm (UTC)
I flipped it inside out just to see what it'd look like, but it looks like the tiny seal holes close up.

The Diva Cup does seem kind of long, so I have cut off some of the tip. The thing is, it moves depending on what I'm doing, and if I'm pulling up or bearing down, I sort of switch around a lot during the day (not sure if that's normal..) Sometimes it's down there, sometimes it's way up and kind of hard to get out.

I don't feel like it is hitting my cervix, but rather pulling down on it either because I stand up and it lengthens, or because the cup does down because I'm bearing down.. I don't know which but the result is the same. I don't seem to be as sensitive to it after the first day since I'm wearing the cup now. It's just the full feeling, and the popping/movement sensation that I mentioned in a previous comment. It isn't necessarily painful but I do notice it.
Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on January 29th, 2013 03:13 pm (UTC)
It's not unusual to "be aware" of any cup when you're in the dreaded learning curve or on particularly BLECH sensitive days. However, it shouldn't be painful.

If it's already way up there and kinda hard to get out, then you don't need to shorten it so don't flip it on those days.

Yes, the holes on Divas are notoriously tiny. Many have enlarged them with drill bits, manicure scissors or body piercing tools. FYI the largest holes on a cup are 2mm, appx 1/16" or a 12g dermal punch.
Zzsomeone on January 28th, 2013 11:10 pm (UTC)
I had those issues with my first cup, a Fleurcup. It caused sharp cramp-like pains. In fact, I put it in early once and was sure I'd started due to the cramping, but it was just the cup causing it. Also with the needing to pee feelings and the cervix pain.

I did try to live with it, but was having issues with the cup even working properly so I ordered a MeLuna Glitter (very soft) instead. It's a hard cup to get to open, but very comfortable for me to wear. The rim is thicker compared to the Fleurcup, which I think helps it not "cut" into my cervix, it doesn't cause the deep denting and pain that the other did.

I have no idea if any of this is relevant to you, just sharing my experience. I've never used a Diva.
love_rainbowlove_rainbow on January 29th, 2013 02:30 pm (UTC)
Yeah, that sounds really similar! I have gotten the sharp pains before too but I feel like it's a muscle spasm, like the muscles are confused or something.

Gosh, I definitely don't feel like it's cutting into my cervix, but definitely hitting it or pulling down on it from suction or something. It just depends on what I'm doing. If I'm sitting on the floor or squatting, I can feel slightly like... you know, if you've got a really big guy inside you, which is more awkward than painful. If I feel that way, and then stand up suddenly, I definitely feel a very awkward pulling pain. Sometimes it's awful, sometimes I like have to bear down to try to avoid cramping up.

Then I just remove it because it's too much of a hassle to take it out, clean it, and re-insert it. Ugh.

Where I live, there aren't any cups and I don't really have the means to order them online... but from what people are saying, DivaCups are on the softer side and size 1 is pretty small and narrow, but is a little long. $40 per piece is a lot of money for trying out these things.
Zzsomeone on January 31st, 2013 01:36 am (UTC)
Well I have a really low cervix so I could reach in and feel the dent, and it was really painful to touch.

But yeah, if you can't order onlinbe you're pretty limited for trying others. And they aren't cheap.
tauqtauq on January 30th, 2013 07:24 pm (UTC)
What's the longest time you've left the cup in for? I found when I was first starting out, I'd put it in but would end up taking it out just a few hours later when it started to bug me (Either because of suction, rubbing, or just the weirdness of having the cup inside you). I managed to fix all these problems within the first couple months though.

Firstly, I found my problem with suction came from insertion. Once I got the cup mostly in, I'd push on the stem to fully seat it properly in my vagina - This causes a lot of suction! So it's important to gentle insert a finger and push on the lip of the cup to release that pressure.

After that, it was just a matter of trimming the stem and getting used to wearing the darn thing! The more I wore it, the less weird it would feel moving around. I also got used to the pressure it would put on my bladder, causing me to feel like I had to pee all the time.

If the cramps hurt that bad you can't insert it first day, I'd just call it a pad day. I don't have bad cramping day 1, but my lady bits are particularly sensitive, so inserting it can be decidedly uncomfortable (Sometimes painful!). I always feel much better having it in though, despite the initial discomfort.
milkymolesmilkymoles on October 11th, 2013 09:15 pm (UTC)
I didn't know if I should start a new thread
I have had to remove my cup today (a lunnette) as have had this horrendous pain and mine was firmly up there sucking my cervix and causing horrendous pain. I have been using a cup for many years and this is a fairly new issue for me. It is worrying the heck out of me. I was in hospital recently with a excruciating pain in my pelvic region. It was sore to touch/move/bend.I am worried it is a gynacologicaL issue and went to my GP surgery and had a (long overdue) smear test. Whilst I was there the nurse took swabs also. Thankfully all came back clear. I would appreciate any feedback from anyone on this issue as I feel very scared.