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Rainne
21 January 2013 @ 02:38 pm
Here I am again, ladies! Fresh from this morning's trip to the E.R. because the DivaCup decided it liked where it was and it was not coming out. For over a day.

I think 2 things happened here. 1) The small DivaCup was possibly too large for me; 2) The silicone of the DivaCup is so stiff that I couldn't break the seal. But apparently, by yesterday, my vagina was so swollen inside that I couldn't bear down hard enough to push the cup down so I could reach it to break the seal.

And when I say that, I mean that my finger, which is 3" long, could just touch the cup's stem when it was all the way up inside, and when I bore down and pushed it as far as I could get it to push, I still couldn't reach the top edge to break the seal.

SO. Clearly I need something that's made of softer silicone, and maybe something that's narrower?

I would really love all of your suggestions at this point, because I don't know which one to choose. I have a fairly heavy flow usually 2 out of 4 days of my period, but the small Diva was able to handle it without leaks, so I'm not worried really about capacity. I do want to make a decision soon, though, so I can order whatever I'm going to order and make sure it's here by next month.

Thanks in advance!
 
m03m on January 21st, 2013 09:00 pm (UTC)
I'm sorry to hear you had a hard time.
Just in case it helps in any way: I've never broken the seal on my cup by reaching for the top edge/rim, or even tried.

A long, narrow and soft cup: maybe the CupLee is a good option for you.
Rainne: Castle - Beckett - Sepia Tonexdawnfirex on January 21st, 2013 09:22 pm (UTC)
I thought that was how you were supposed to break the seal. If I pushed on the side of it, it just squished away; the walls of my vagina aren't solid enough, maybe?

On the plus side, most of the experience was good enough that I'm not giving up, just finding a different brand! :)
m03m on January 21st, 2013 10:34 pm (UTC)
It's one way. Personally (like some other users) I break the seal by pinching the base of the cup.
I'm pretty sure your vaginal walls are fine, I wouldn't worry about it.

Good for you, for not giving up! You'll find a way to make this work.
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Rainne: Castle - Castle & Beckett - B/W Touchingxdawnfirex on January 21st, 2013 09:44 pm (UTC)
I can't get my finger and my thumb inside. My opening isn't big enough. And when I push on the side of the cup to try and press it against my vaginal walls, it just squooshes out of the way. Like one of those plastic things full of blue liquid we played with when we were kids.
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Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on January 21st, 2013 09:33 pm (UTC)
Yikes!

Have you tried enlarging the anti-suction holes in it yet? That might help. The largest holes from a manufacturer are on a Miacup and they are 2mm, appx 1/16", 12g body piercing tool.

FYI: If you're unlucky enough for this to happen again, before heading off to the ER, a good "emergency tool" for removal is a spoon. The idea is to create an air channel to get air into/above your cup so it breaks the seal and doesn't create suction on the way out. Do this on the soft back side of your vag.

Your Diva is already the cup with the longest body. (57mm + another appx 10mm stem.) Off the top of my head, the Lily is the only cup whose stem is significantly longer. (Small) 77 or (large) 82mm in total length. But the extra 10 or 15mm probably won't help if the cup is THAT FAR up there that you couldn't reach the stem/base of your Diva.

Edited to add: And I don't believe the Lily has ANY anti-suction holes so it's even more critical to break the seal at the top rim. (Or you can add your own.)


Edited at 2013-01-21 09:35 pm (UTC)
Rainne: Castle - Castle & Beckett - Freezerxdawnfirex on January 21st, 2013 09:43 pm (UTC)
I tried pressing on the side, but the silicone was so stiff that it just squished out of the way.

I hadn't tried enlarging the holes yet; I can definitely do that. I also hadn't thought of a spoon. I actually got desperate enough last night to try tongs but I couldn't get a grip on the stupid cup.
Lady Felis of Domestica: avatarfelisd on January 21st, 2013 11:12 pm (UTC)
For what it's worth, I have a tiny v too, and short fingers that couldn't reach even half way up if I tried. I never went to the ER, but I do know the frustration of not being able to break the seal on the Diva cup. I once spent three hours collapsed in the tub (to mitigate mess) pretty much crying out of frustration and hysteria. Then, I figured that being tense was not helping at all. So, I just slapped a maxi pad on, and waited another half day until I was calmer then tried again. I found it was MUCH easier to get out after I'd pooed because it forced the cup and my cervix down. The worst time to try and get it out was first thing in the morning when my cervix is the highest it will ever be all day.

Also, if you're finding the cup walls just squoosh out of the way when you push, try pinching both sides and don't grab it too high up. I pinch the both sides of the cup just above the stem until the sides of the cup touch (and you'll have to pinch it firmly. It helps to make sure your fingers are dry before you do it. If you have to try again, use some toilet paper to dry your fingers before doing so), and pull down using the bottom of the cup and the stem as something to push against. I found that just pinching it there was enough to break the seal when I was relaxed. It took a little practice, but I eventually was able to do it with ease.

The key is: if you find yourself tensing up, just wait until you're more relaxed to try again. If you have to have a maxi pad or just toilet paper as backup until you are relaxed, so be it. Remind yourself to breathe, maybe play some relaxing music, try in a warm bath or something, and remind yourself that if you don't get it out right this instant, it's not the end of the world. I don't think there are any health issues with keeping it in too long. It just feels a little uncomfortable, and it stinks to high heaven, but it won't harm you.

If you are still looking for a cup with a more flexible cup wall, I've heard good things about Meluna, but since I've only ever tried the Diva Cup, I can't give you first hand advice.

Good luck!
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mood_swinger23 on January 22nd, 2013 01:16 am (UTC)
Sounds like you need something long/ a longer stem and with the need for length and the Diva even being too short, two other options come to mind. Also as previously mentioned, the Lily is pretty long too, but asymmetrical and I'm not sure who has used it yet.

There was a seller on mc_sales that had Jasmine cups, one of which I bought. I believe they similar in dimension to a Diva, but there is a longer stem (or at least I think). The thing is, they are mysterious. It seems they were made in Canada, but there's really no information available on them. They're probably a cheap knockoff of some kind, although they are still somewhat unique. She said she had a few (I thought) so it's possible she may still have more. Wouldn't hurt to ask. I ended up getting one but haven't gotten to try it yet. It's relatively soft and is narrowish at the rim (similar to the Diva, I think). I don't have a Diva to take pictures with to compare, but I can show you pictures of my Jasmine next to my L Fleur and S Lunette for comparison (and you can counter compare to the photo library website) if it's something you would want to consider. She just wanted whatever you could pay for it.

2. There was a new Russian(?) cup which is long in length with a long stem, I believe. It's a bit up there in cost since it's newer.
See: http://menstrual-cups.livejournal.com/3003060.html?
Jennifer Monoteasy2begreen on January 22nd, 2013 03:43 am (UTC)
I bought a Jasmine cup from the seller (Jolly Lemon) and the transaction was so unpleasant that I strongly recommend not buying from that seller (she sent it in a flat-rate Express Mail envelope, the post office required me to pay the postage due in order to get it, and she would not refund me the $16 postage due). I am now finangling with the USPS to get a refund. Apparently she uses the Express Mail envelopes for sending cups, so this could happen to future buyers.

That said, the Jasmine is a knock-off of the Diva (nearly exact, as far as I can tell) but with a longer Lunette stem. The whole thing is about 7.8cm long (compared to the small Diva at 6.7cm), so that would give you a good bit more stem to play with.

I think the Natural Mamma is slightly longer than the Diva. It's softer but slightly wider at the rim and throughout the body (the Diva is strongly tapered, the NM has a rounded base).
Rainne: Castle - Beckett - F My Lifexdawnfirex on January 22nd, 2013 03:45 am (UTC)
Okay, the transaction details are horrifying and I will definitely avoid that seller... but I might think about looking for the Jasmine cup. Thanks!
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mood_swinger23 on January 22nd, 2013 03:54 am (UTC)
Okay OP, don't buy one!!! Lol.
Sorry you had such a horrible time. I was having anxiety about buying it in the first place and knew it was some sort of knock off in the first place. She told me she had sent it then I didn't see it "accepted" until 2(?) days later. Saw that it was horribly slow post but somehow got it really early. I paid her for the shipping as part of the order and didn't have to deal with the PO at all but honestly this doesn't surprise me (seeing as she was selling knockoffs anyway).

It does look close to the Diva, but with a stem, which is why it is a bit more unique/longer.

Because it's a knockoff, they're going to be quite hard to find unless you find someone who has previously bought from that seller probably and wants to sell theirs. (Can't say that about mine since I haven't gotten to try it yet and I'm a hoarder...)
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m03m on January 22nd, 2013 06:01 pm (UTC)
There seems to be at least one seller who sells them through Amazon.
teacupcake89 on January 22nd, 2013 09:17 am (UTC)
I'm sorry you had such a hard time

You don't need to be able to reach the base right away, just the stem. squat down low as you can as this shortens the vagina and use lube to help get a finger or two in one by one, slowly, I really struggled to get a finger either side of the cup in at first, but I try to relax loads and use use lube. keep wiping your fingers on toilet paper if you find it's too slippy to get a good grip. with squatting and bearing down grip the end of the stem and pull down side to side until it's low enough to remove/squeeze the base.

if you can do a poo, go do one as the muslces can lower the cup. :)

would a Si-bell (small or large, both very very soft with a thin stem so there would be more space for your fingers to go) be a good cup for you? compare to your Diva here http://menstrualcups.friendhood.net/t496-si-bell-cup-comparison-photos

or a keeper mooncup might be long enough for you?http://menstrualcups.friendhood.net/t228-keeper-and-keeper-moon-cup-comparison-photos

Edit: would using your sex toys more regularly in between periods help with insertion/removal?? I know that virgins using cups for the first time have had success with gradually stretching their hymen with their fingers/sex toy and relaxing, :)

Edited at 2013-01-22 09:21 am (UTC)
mood_swinger23 on January 23rd, 2013 08:32 pm (UTC)
Fresh comment!
This one http://lunacup.mx/que-es-lunacup/
is new and seems pretty long? But I'm not sure if there's #'s or comparison photos of it yet!

Edit; I'm not sure if it's available in the US though.

Edited at 2013-01-23 08:34 pm (UTC)