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21 December 2012 @ 12:48 am
Hey everyone. I've been having some issues with my cups - my first was the small Diva, which is really really too long, even with the stem cut off. It still sticks out of me over an inch. My cervix is super low. After doing some research, I ordered a medium Meluna, which I didn't really like. I then got a SMALL Meluna, which is the perfect size for me, with one issue.......it can't create a seal. It's like it is fine for a little while, then starts to leak.

I don't think it is because it is full because sometimes it's only in there for about a half hour (with a light flow) and it starts to leak. I have a hard time telling if the cup is open, even after rotating it and trying my hardest to make it work. I think the cup is too soft?

Does anyone have any advice for me? I don't really know what is causing this issue and I'm getting really discouraged. I'm also open to buying a new cup.

Thank you! :(
 
mood_swinger23 on December 21st, 2012 07:44 am (UTC)
I'm still pretty new to cups myself, so my advice is not the greatest. If you've had children, a firmer cup could help. A firmer cup could *possibly* help the leaks, but that's no guarantee. Do you have a soft Meluna or a classic Meluna? A classic is actually quite a firm cup, a soft is very soft.

One thing it could be is maybe a placement issue. Are you for sure directing it in the right place below your cervix? Is there any chance your cervix is up hiding in a corner and contributing to leaks? Have you tried different folds? Maybe you're right and it isn't opening up. It's worth a shot to try a different fold! :)

Since you have a short cervix and a relatively short cup (the Meluna), it could also be that your cervix is taking up some space in the cup. In which case, you'd want a cup that is more bell shaped (like a Si-bell or Fleurcup, I believe? Cuplee may also be bell shaped but I can't say for certain.)Any of those would probably have a bigger capacity than your Meluna as well. All are pretty soft. If anyone else does think it's a stiffness issue, hopefully they can suggest firmer style cups.

Also, once you get the cup in, it's recommended you actually DON'T rotate it, because that can break any seal that formed on it's own. That could be breaking the seal, or poking at it, even.

Have you checked out the size charts link?
http://sizecharts.livejournal.com/
and photo library for some comparison photos?
http://menstrualcups.friendhood.net/moderator-s-photo-library-f52/

They can be super helpful when looking at shapes/sizes/capacity/lengths. :)

Remember also that you can keep your eyes out for cups on the mc-sales page. If it's not a stiffness issue and just your cervix hogging the cup and making it leak, It looks like there is a small fleurcup (about the same size as your small Meluna, but a different more belled shape) available unused from their right now ($27).

That's all I can think of for now-- hopefully others can give you insight soon! :)
Darling Nikkijessiebanana on December 21st, 2012 05:49 pm (UTC)
FYI It depends on the size. I was lucky enough to try a lot of MeLunas. The difference between a classic and soft small isn't huge, where the difference between a classic and soft medium is ginormous.
juliiie87juliiie87 on December 21st, 2012 06:20 pm (UTC)
Really ? What does it say about the small ? I was thinking that the medium classic didn't feel too bad compared to the super firm large classic I tried... I <3 my medium soft though.
Darling Nikkijessiebanana on December 21st, 2012 08:51 pm (UTC)
I don't have a whole lot of experience with non MeLuna cups so maybe I'm exaggerating :p, but the small MINI classic feels kind of like the soft if you ran it under cold water. It's not hugely different. The difference is most noticeable in use. The classic pops open easier.

The medium was just a lot thicker and obviously stiffer. Between the bigger size and firmness it wasn't anything I wanted anywhere near my lady parts. I've never felt the large.
====tralane93 on December 21st, 2012 06:58 pm (UTC)
Thank you! I haven't had children and I haven't really thought about the shape of my cervix. I guess I don't know how I would go about adjusting the cup to "fit" my cervix? It doesn't seem like there is a lot of room in there.

I should experiment more with folds; there's really only one that works for me, the U-fold. I'll check out the Fleurcup! It seems like there aren't any cups that are as short as the small Meluna, which I think is the perfect length for me :/
juliiie87juliiie87 on December 21st, 2012 12:29 pm (UTC)
Have you thought about the medium or small mini meluna (depending on your flow and how low your cervix actually is) ?
Those are the shortest cups according to the sizecharts http://sizecharts.livejournal.com/, and there may even be a few up for grabs on mc-sales : http://mc-sales.livejournal.com/

The large Fleurcup or Si-bell (the later is smoother and softer) is the standard rec for a fairly low cervix and a heavy flow (not that people with a light flow can't use it!) it has an amazing capacity, but to be honest it is a fairly big cup. Depending how low we're talking, and how much room there is around your cervix on the sides, it may or may not work for you (it's still shorter than your Diva, although not by much). The Cuplee is definitely not bell-shaped, more like a V and medium length, just like the large Fleur, but because of its shape it only holds as much as... the small Fleur (I just tested hehe... ok enough nerdy rambling !).

With any cup, including the ones you already have, your cervix needs to sit (o) inside the cup so the blood pours inside and not down the side. Cups can sometimes be a little longer than the distance to the tip of your cervix because they sit around it and some cervices are "dangly". Also, have you tried flipping your Diva inside out ? this makes it a great deal shorter, and many people wear it that way ! Good luck in your research.

Edited at 2012-12-21 06:29 pm (UTC)
====tralane93 on December 21st, 2012 07:03 pm (UTC)
Thanks for your help! I'm a little confused about what you're saying about the Meluna - I have a Medium classic and a small classic. The medium is a little too long, while the small seems to be the perfect size. I just can't get either of them to make a good seal. It seems like they don't open all the way, like they're too soft. I'm not really sure.

I have turned my Diva inside out, but it's still too long and I find the reverse tension a little annoying :(

I guess I need a cup that is more bell-shaped but as short as the small Meluna ?
juliiie87juliiie87 on December 21st, 2012 07:36 pm (UTC)
I should have stressed that I'm talking about the MINI Melunas, the ones that are shaped like a cone : http://meluna.eu/meluna/meluna-classic/meluna-mini-classic.html
As you can see from the charts I linked, the S MINI Meluna is the shortest cup there is. A larger cup also sometimes fits higher due to room around the cervix, so that's why I went so far as to suggest the M MINI Meluna and possibly the small or large Fleur, which are bell-shaped, but that may be too long, idk.

Do you know where your cervix is, especially how far in from the entrance and if there is some room around it ? If so, can you come up with an estimate ? And compare that to the charts.

Also, about popping open : it could be that you are squishing a folded cup next to your (low) cervix, which would prevent it from popping open. Other than that... I'll say classic Melunas aren't amongst the softer cups, but even those (and especially Melunas since they are a different material and have only 2 holes) often need some coaxing in order to fully unfold. Try different folds, face the fold differently (for me, that's towards my butt), and run the cup under cold water shortly before insertion to make it firmer. Also make sure to place one hole at the center of the fold. And try various positions : lying on my back as for a gynecological exam worked the best for me starting out, now sitting on the toilet works fine. Standing and squatting I find more tricky.

Edited at 2012-12-21 07:44 pm (UTC)
====tralane93 on December 22nd, 2012 08:52 pm (UTC)
Oh, cool! I didn't know about the minis. I'll check those out. They sound good for me. I think when I am on my period my cervix is really low, I'll have to check next time I am and then compare. Thanks for the idea!

I do the U-fold with it facing toward my butt too, with the hole inside the fold :/ I will have to try other folds and positions I think. Thanks!
Cenamenhoneypie3251 on December 21st, 2012 05:02 pm (UTC)
I've had the small diva myself and although its label is small it's a pretty big cup. I own the large fleurcups and its smaller than the small diva by length. It's a wider cup so it helps me not to leak on heavy days. The small diva would give me leaks on heavy days and that's not because of overflow. The large fleurcup is really nice for me with a semi short cervix. I also like the mini medium klassik Meluna but I only use it for heavy discharges or if I'm waiting for my period to start.
====tralane93 on December 21st, 2012 07:05 pm (UTC)
I'm definitely gonna look into the Fleurcup. Thanks!
Darling Nikkijessiebanana on December 21st, 2012 05:12 pm (UTC)
If you have a low cervix it's absolutely critical that you run you finger along the rim of your cup to ensure your cervix is actually in it. If you don't you will obviously leak. I think softer cups are better for this because they aren't so quick to pop open and you can maneuver them into the right place before you coax them open. I open mine lower and then push it up the rest of the way.

I have a low cervix and lighter flow and I do not leak in a half and hour on my heavy days wearing the Mini S. That sounds more like your cup was never in right.

Are you wearing the Meluna S or the MeLuna Mini S. I personally did not like the new style, it didn't fit my body right so it never formed a seal.

I do rotate my cup, mainly to encourage it open, and that has no effect on the seal. I'm not sure what that other person is talking about. I use my thumb and move it sideways, kind of like rolling a stick of deodorant up.
mood_swinger23 on December 21st, 2012 05:38 pm (UTC)
I've seen in a few places throughout the forums various people say not to or that there is no need to rotate the cup. That isn't to say it doesn't help some people at all.
Darling Nikkijessiebanana on December 21st, 2012 05:51 pm (UTC)
Okay, but that isn't what you said. You typed in caps to absolutely not do something.
Rotating isn't necessary, but it certainly isn't harmful or seal breaking.
juliiie87juliiie87 on December 21st, 2012 06:26 pm (UTC)
I'm probably the one guilty of saying somewhere that IF your cup was already open (and then, probably sealed), then there's no need to rotate it like some manufacturers advise, and there's a chance by pinching the cup to get a hold of it, you might break the seal. Which is no big deal, but still, pointless in this very situation.

The way I make sure my cup pops open is mostly by using folds such as labia and half diamond, that allow me to just push the folded part inwards and have it open. Sometimes I also make room by pushing my vaginal wall away from the cup. To each their own.
====tralane93 on December 21st, 2012 07:07 pm (UTC)
I feel like I do everything I can to make sure the cup is fitting properly - I rotate it, try to feel for it, I spend a lot of time on insertion. Sigh. I don't really know how to tell if my cervix is in the cup...

I have the small Meluna Classic
Darling Nikkijessiebanana on December 21st, 2012 08:41 pm (UTC)
If you can't feel your cervix in the cup then your cervix is probably not as low as mine or some of the other ladies here trying to give you advice. Our cervixes are so low that even when wearing super short cups like the MeLuna Mini we can feel them inside during insertion. I THINK that most women who have a average to high riding cervix don't run into it during insertion and that the cup sort of migrates higher on it's on or stays put and never encircles it.

We might be leading you astray if you simply have an average hanging cervix. The Diva is a very long cup and it's too long for a lot of people, not just people with a low cervix.
====tralane93 on December 22nd, 2012 08:55 pm (UTC)
Mine is definitely low because I can feel it very easily with my fingers.... I guess I don't really know what you mean about it being in the cup and being able to feel it; I mean if it were in the cup how could you feel it? Wouldn't the outside of the cup block your fingers? I've never really been conscious of the cup interacting with my cervix, so I'm thinking that's where my problems lie. I think I still don't really "get" how you're supposed to put the cervix inside the cup and tell if you did.
Darling Nikkijessiebanana on December 23rd, 2012 06:28 am (UTC)
Well, I'm not sure what to explain. It seems obvious. When you push on a side of the cup, usually one side more than another (your cervix generally isn't at the top or centered), you can feel a firm thing inside. That's your cervix in the cup. If the firm numb is outside of the walls of your cup, then your cup isn't around your cervix.

I push against the walls of my vagina to make sure my cups hooks around it. You can open your cup early and scoot it up. Some people push against the walls of their vagina before allowing the cup to open up. Different strokes for different folks.
Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on December 21st, 2012 05:31 pm (UTC)
Until you find your Goldilocks cup, have you tried flipping the Diva inside out to shorten it? It's perfectly OK to wear it that way if it works for you.
====tralane93 on December 21st, 2012 07:08 pm (UTC)
I have tried that and it's pretty uncomfortable/long. I wish it did work though! Thanks for your help.
Yamxyamx on December 21st, 2012 05:46 pm (UTC)
Meluna comes in three different degrees of stiffness. Which one do you have? Maybe it's not stiff enough to withstand your muscular pressure?
====tralane93 on December 21st, 2012 07:09 pm (UTC)
I have the classic. I wonder how you tell something like that? I am not particularly fit or obsessed with kegels.
Yamxyamx on December 21st, 2012 07:11 pm (UTC)
I really don't know--I have the soft and it works great for me... Maybe you could e-mail them and ask? They have a whole customer advisory thing they do, but it'll probably take a while to get a reply with the holidays...
chamekke: cha_xmas_meluna_bellschamekke on December 21st, 2012 07:16 pm (UTC)
I have a low cervix too. I too am wondering if you might do better with a medium MINI Meluna (the older style with the cone shape). It's the same capacity as the classic/soft small Melunas IIRC. I've never had any problems with it forming a good seal, and I regularly use both the standard and soft versions.
====tralane93 on December 22nd, 2012 08:55 pm (UTC)
The mini sounds good, I never knew about it! Thanks.