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12 December 2012 @ 05:27 pm
Hey vagina-owners!

Today is day two of my first cycle using a small lunette. Once I got used to the whole insertion thing, I thought it was looking promising. However, I am having some intermittent spotting/leakage. I'm relatively heavy for the first couple of days plus I'm being paranoid so I've checked it roughly Q4 hours (even ventured into the realm of public bathrooms today, albeit single-user ones only) for leaks & fullness. I was only 1/2 to 3/4 full most of the times but still had some spillage onto my pantyliner. I also noticed a gurgling/bubbling sensation every now and again.

So here's what I'm thinking: I have it inserted and popped open (not always easy!) correctly but the seal isn't forming well. Or perhaps the addition of *ahem* new contents into the cup is making air squeeze past it in order to maintain the correct pressure.

Another little problem I'm having is with removal. The first few times the rim (widest part of the cup) getting down to my entrance was ridiculously painful. I tried slowing down, tipping one part of the rim out first, and just pulling it out fast (like taking of a bandaid). The hotdug-in-bun technique is what works best for me but it's still not pleasant, though it's considerably better. And I'm also worried that it won't work well (spillage) when I'm going longer between emptying (going to aim for Q6 hours for the first couple days when my flow is heaviest). Yes, I'm a virgin but I am sans hymen thanks to bareback horseback riding in my childhood.

Thanks in advance for any advice you can offer!
 
mood_swinger23 on December 12th, 2012 11:00 pm (UTC)
I have a small Lunette and had the same problems when I started using it last cycle. I'm still not sure what was causing the leaks! Are you aiming for your cervix ? I guess that is supposed to help sometimes. It could also be that your cervix is taking up some cup space. Also-- If it's actually dark red-- it's a leak-- if it's really light in capacity/lighter in color-- its what they call residual slobber (what's left hanging around between changes).

With removal-- are you pinching the bottom to break the seal? Or just yanking out by the stem? (That's what I was doing out of ease although I knew I was supposed to pinch the bottom to release suction).

juliiie87juliiie87 on December 13th, 2012 12:13 am (UTC)
Like the previous commenter, I think, if it's not just residual slobber, that your cup may actually be full when it starts leaking. As for removal, I use the hot-dog method to unhook it from my walls and cervix, bring it closer and then use the tip of my thumb to fold it back in a loose C-fold. This can be messy on a full cup, but it greatly reduces the diameter on the way out. Also, remember to keep everything relaxed and to bear down ! It should keep getting easier from here.
Serpent: neutralserpent_849 on December 13th, 2012 12:35 am (UTC)
another rule of thumb: if it leaks a little right after insertion and then stops, that's residual slobber.
if it starts after a few hours and only gets worse, that's overflow (if you don't reinsert, eventually it'll leak as if the cup wasn't there).


the addition of *ahem* new contents into the cup is making air squeeze past it in order to maintain the correct pressure.
that's perfectly normal, this is indeed how it works. when your flow isn't heavy, it may not leak for hours despite that sensation. when it's heavy you have to be more careful. this doesn't affect the seal per se.


eta: also a virgin here, with a VERY low cervix. it takes up at least 2/3 of any cup but fortunately my flow isn't heavy. i occasionally also get what i call "overflow due to position", ie when my position causes my cervix to occupy even more space. this has only happened at home so far *knock on wood*, probably because it's usually related to lying down in some awkward position that minimizes the discomfort. this doesn't happen when i'm sitting or at least half-sitting (like in bed with my laptop♥).

Edited at 2012-12-13 12:42 am (UTC)
eollieeollie on December 13th, 2012 12:49 am (UTC)
I've been having the same issue : (
Serpent: neutralserpent_849 on December 13th, 2012 01:54 am (UTC)
which cup do you have? large fleurcup is the standard rec for low cervix + heavy flow, its rounded bottom allows for a larger capacity even when your cervix sits in the cup.

OP, a softer cup should be more comfortable to remove! i never even considered my small lunette uncomfortable, but now i love my softer cups ♥ and if it's both larger and softer, lasting 6 hours should be less of a problem.
pa_girl21 on December 13th, 2012 04:05 pm (UTC)
Thanks for all of the help and suggestions,everyone!

For now I'm thinking the leakage was just residual slobber (what a delightful term... :P) but I'll pay closer attention to the pattern from now on.

Glad to know the gurgling from air passing the cup is normal. I was worried my seal was not working.

As for a softer cup, I'm worried that I'd have even more problems popping open. As of now, my lunette is ridiculously comfortable when it's in (compared to tampons which used to drive me nuts!!) but I always have to work to get it to pop open (i.e. pressing my finger against the wall to let air in for 5-10 seconds, stirring to feel it open, wiggling it around a bit). So I'm thinking softer isn't what I want if it would only get harder to open. I'm going to practice removal a bit for the rest of this cycle; hopefully it will get better pain-wise.

Again, thanks!!!

Edited at 2012-12-13 04:08 pm (UTC)
cateranllama on December 27th, 2012 07:54 pm (UTC)
I had a milder form of the "uncomfortableness-when-removing using a large Lunette, but super comfortable while wearing." I eventually tried out a large Diva (on the theory there's no reason I shouldn't have to live with even occasional pain without examining the alternatives). It is much softer, much easier to remove and not much harder to open. I wasn't having to work super hard to get the Lunette open though. (I had to let air in, but it never took more than a few seconds.)

What I did notice swapping to the Diva was that the origami fold I'd been using for the Lunette wouldn't open at all for the Diva. I'm using one of the bigger folds (a seven maybe) now, the softness of the cup means the larger fold doesn't cause an issue. I almost always have to poke the bottom of the Diva a few times, as well as sometimes squishing it so the air can get in, but overall it wasn't nearly the jump up in difficulty I thought it might be. I've read there are tricks you can use to unfold a softer cup too, (cold water and maybe inside-out-ness) but I haven't had to resort to them yet.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, I think a softer cup would be worth a try if you can't get the Lunette to work after giving it however much more time you're comfortable with. There are at least as many opening tricks to try as there are removal tricks. And you can always go look at mc_sales on the sidebar if the cost of experimenting is going to be an issue.

Good luck!