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15 November 2012 @ 03:11 pm
Well, I got a Lunette Size 1 a few days ago and this has been my first chance at doing a dry run. I zapped it in the microwave, checked out fold videos, and did my best to relax before hand. (My dad's been off work all week so I was trying to be discrete, but I don't think that had any different issue on my ability to relax, just patience maybe).

Using a C-fold and with it wet, I got it in, and then had to poke at it to get it to open up. I could tell it was in and I think it still could have been in aways further. I tried to push as far as it could go and still felt it, too. I meant to leave it in for a while, but took it out a bit frustrated and disappointed and here I am!

I only tried the one fold so far because I wanted to post here. I wasn't sure what all to expect so thought I'd try on my own before asking questions. I was pretty sure I knew what I was supposed to be doing, but still felt some discomfort (insertion, with it in, etc). Did I do everything right so far, or am I doing something wrong? Should I just keep retrying? Use different folds? Or should I assume that my impulse buy won't end up working because it's just too short and apparently too firm?

I have probably about a week until "that time" comes around again and should have a few chances for more dry runs between now and then.
Current Mood: frustratedfrustrated
m03m on November 15th, 2012 08:39 pm (UTC)
You got it in, it opened eventually, there was some discomfort but no major pain. I don't think you did anything wrong. I think this is as good as dry runs generally get.
You were feeling the cup because it's new and your body isn't used to it being in there.

Did you expect things to be different, and if so, how?

Edited at 2012-11-15 08:41 pm (UTC)
mood_swinger23 on November 15th, 2012 08:52 pm (UTC)
Hm. Well, I guess I just thought I'd be able to get it in and voila! I'm feeling very discouraged.

I'm concerned that if it wasn't in far enough, it will leak. The instructions say it should be worn low but i'm pretty sure it's supposed to rest right by your cervix? And mine is high. I'm not sure how to make sure I get it in the right position to prevent leaks when I'll need to. I thought I would be able to get it up higher and I just got to a point where I couldn't push it up any further. The stem was barely inside. I'm still pretty sure it there was more room but have no idea how to get it up higher where it should be.

It also was hard to open, I had to use a trick I'd read like 10 minutes before about pushing the side wall and letting air in to get it open, and I'm assuming it opened because I tried to feel around it, but even then I'm not 100% sure it DID open. I REALLY didn't like all the digging/pushing I had to do inside of me to get it far enough in. I thought I could get away with just getting it folded, and putting it in right at the outside and having it be good to go.

I had really, REALLY hoped I wouldn't be able to feel it and that's REALLY bothering me. I knew I needed something soft because I've always been able to feel tampons, and figured I could handle the "4" in stiffness. It's not like I haven't had things up there before. I just am sensitive. Even though it was a dry run, I'm pretty sure I'm going to be able to feel it. :/

I'm starting to think this was a bad idea :(

Edited at 2012-11-15 08:53 pm (UTC)
m03m on November 15th, 2012 09:48 pm (UTC)
Okay, so there's a lot that wasn't in the post.

Still ... It was just a dry run. They don't really mean all that much. Please stop telling yourself it should have been perfect, because that would have been rare. The fact that it wasn't does not mean much, either.

You've been reading here for a while, right? You know that there is a learning curve. This is what that means.
It means it may take a while for things to be perfect. And you know what? That's okay.

Don't talk yourself into feeling bad. You are actually doing fine.
juliiie87juliiie87 on November 16th, 2012 12:30 am (UTC)
I agree with m03m ! Think that some people can't even get the cup in on a dry run ! You're doing fine. It's also normal to be more uncomfortable than on your period, when everything will be lubed up and relaxed.

You don't really need to shove it all the way up. You just need it to be past your pubic bone, and unfolded. Once you're sure about that, you can just leave it there and it should climb up where it needs / wants to be, whether you want it to or not. You have a high cervix, and chances are it may even be higher on a dry run. So if you want to practice anything, you can practice folds and popping open. Removal might be tricky if it climbs up... but that's up to you. I'm pretty sure your cup won't leak as long as it's open, and even if you're one of those rare cases who needs a specific positionning... we'll cross that bridge when we get there. Don't get discouraged hun, you're only just starting to learn about your new best friend. ;)

More to the point :
- One way to help the cup climb up is to do a few kegels. And then just wear a pantyliner for safety, and forget about it !

- Hard to open : well, it is a medium to soft cup and soft cups don't just spring right open, out of your hand and SLAP! against you vag. That'd be rude if you ask me. Cups do need room/air to expand. Serpent has made a post (in the faq) about soft cups popping open that's full of tips and insight. Also... you're only just starting ! You will find your easy, quick, perfect method with time and practice ! Just like any of us did.

Honestly, I don't bother with those basic folds. Only labia, origami and half diamond do something for me. But I'm talking about a different cup, and a different body, so YMMV. Position can also make a difference. Lying on my back is definitely the easiest one, 'cause it creates so much room in the vag, like you wouldn't believe.

Edited at 2012-11-16 12:40 am (UTC)
mood_swinger23 on November 16th, 2012 05:06 am (UTC)
Okay so thinking out loud, factors I need to mess with include:

Folds (I wanted to try the punch down but just didn't have patience after knowing I could feel it, just like an annoying tampon, considered the 7 fold as well).
My own physical positioning
Other body language, persay

What else am I missing?

And I know I'm a noob with these, but I still beg to differ that dry runs aren't very important. If I don't get peace of mind now, I won't be able to have peace of mind when I NEED to. I know it's a somewhat different scenario, but I still want to know that I know what I'm doing for when the time comes.
m03m on November 16th, 2012 10:12 am (UTC)
Dry runs don't work for everyone. That's just how it is. So they don't always give reliable information about how actually using a cup will work for you.

By saying that dry runs don't mean a lot, that's what I meant. And no, they are actually not important to everyone, since many of us never do any dry runs and still manage to get the hang of using a cup.

If you decide that they are very important to you, then of course that is fine, as long as you don't let imperfect results discourage you. Because that would be a shame.
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Jonilittle_joni on November 16th, 2012 12:27 am (UTC)
I never had any luck doing dry runs. Never.

But! It's totally different using a cup during your actual period. I'd wait until then to try it out again. And there is a learning curve. Don't expect it to be perfect your first time out and don't give up if at first it doesn't work well, it takes time to get used to. It took me a few months to get the hang of it and I've been a satisfied cup used for many years now.
teacupcake89 on November 16th, 2012 10:39 am (UTC)
If you click on the 'dry run' AND 'First time use' tag in the sidebar there are LOADS of posts about unsuccesful dry runs from 'I can't get it in/I can't get it out/It hurts/It won't unfold' etc etc. These are all equally common first period use questions but are more likely to happen during a dry run because the vagina is less lubricated and the person less relaxed/more anxious. Equally a good dry run doesn't mean that you'll be as successful on a period run :)

My dry run was a disaster! I didn't use any lubricant (big mistake!) so really struggled to insert it comfortably. I only knew about the 2 folds in the Mooncup instructions which made insertion trickier. After much struggling I finally got it in and left it in for a bit, then spent an hour panicking trying to get it out!! It also felt reallly uncomfortable.

Insertion and removal still took me a few cycles to get the hang of, but it was much better on my period. (and more comfortable once I got over the 'there's something in my vag feeling') I also had more success lying on my bed with a towel to begin with and the labia fold.

Your description of getting it in and then taking it back out because you felt it wasn't in right/high enough etc is really normal!! That's the great thing about cups: you can take it out and start again without wasting and having to use another one like you would with tampons. Don't stress and allow yourself plenty of time.

Once it's in and opened up, do a few squats/kegels/wiggly dance/walk around your room getting ready etc for a bit and let it go where it wants to. you'll find after a couple of hours the cup will be where it wants to/can go. I personally wouldn't try another dry run, but practice folds and pretend insertion/removal if that makes you feel better :)

Try to be patient! Your first attempt was never going to be perfect! (it does happen but would be unusual) You know how to get it in and out so it's all about practicing your technique, trying different folds/positions etc and patience! :) don't be disheartened :)

silver_fyreflysilver_fyrefly on November 16th, 2012 10:24 pm (UTC)
New adopter and apparently now that I've used a diva cup pushed way in past the step, fellow high cervix owner here who also can't use tampons.

First off you're not going to be able to tell if it's leaking or not until you have something to leak. Also everything will be a lot slipperier and I find my vagina is a bit more relaxed while I'm menstruating. My recommendation is to chill with the dry runs. You've figured out how to get it in, open, and out and that's 99% of the battle.

Regarding discomfort. I'm the type that always feels a tampon and I don't like them. It takes a few hours for me the first day I put it in not to feel it anymore. I figure during that time my vaginal muscles are busy putting it where it wants it, my vagina is stretching out to accommodate it, and its coming up to my body temperature. Also upon removal to empty it and putting it back in during my period I still tend to feel it for about a half hour after as it shifts around back to its happy place. It sounds like your main problem is being able to feel it and the best thing you can do is just wait and see what it does when you're on your period and you leave it in longer. Give it a chance, I'm sure you'll do fine.
mood_swinger23 on November 17th, 2012 01:36 am (UTC)
Thanks for your reply. It's bothersome to know it may take hours until I can't feel it any more, but at least it seems that does go away.

It's not just that; I also don't like really don't like the whole "digging" I have to do. I'm really thinking I should have gone with a longer (and softer) cup :(

I know everyone has told me not to try another dry run...but I really want to get the hang of it before I have to use it. So I tried a different position for getting it in, and a different fold, before I jumped in the shower. I squatted and moved around with it in to help it "sit" better. I hoped the shower would help me stay relaxed. Instead after about 5 minutes I started cramping up. I got to a point I couldn't bear it anymore and had to take it out again. :/ Half hour later I'm still cramping. (This went on for about 2 hours).

Lubrication hasn't been an issue for any of these dry runs I've tried. It's been the discomfort of digging and feeling it there, and now cramping, that has/have been the turn off(s).

Edits to add detail/typos.

Edited at 2012-11-17 07:09 am (UTC)
juliiie87juliiie87 on November 17th, 2012 01:54 pm (UTC)
Longer and softer, yes, that's what I thought...
But let's give this little Lunette a chance first. ;)

Are you sure the cup unfolded both times ? because shoving a folded cup next to your cervix or just leaving it in still folded would logically increase your discomfort. Also, like silver_firefly said, it is normal to be more aware of the cup, and less comfortable with the digging (which will become less and less as you get the hang of it) at first, since it's all new for your body and mind. Be patient with yourself. For example, the feeling around that comes with making sure the cup unfolds will be less needed when you find your quick and easy method, and the digging for removal can be lessened when you learn to effectively bear dow to bring it closer. The shower is nice, warm, and clean but to be honest, my vag is not very relaxed / cooperative when I'm standing, unless I manage to do a huge split on the edge of the tub, but still, lying down (AFTER a relaxing shower, especially !) is much more comfy and relaxed. You might like to give it a go if you feel like trying again in the next few days (but don't push yourself, the cup will wait until you are ready).

Edited at 2012-11-17 01:55 pm (UTC)
m03m on November 17th, 2012 03:09 pm (UTC)
I also don't like really don't like the whole "digging" I have to do. I'm really thinking I should have gone with a longer (and softer) cup :(
Since most users find that their cervix is lower during their period, there may be less digging involved.
Let's not jump to conclusions. You haven't used your cup yet.

I know everyone has told me not to try another dry run...
I've said no such thing. I've just said that they may not be a very good source of information about what actually using a cup will be like, for you.

If they help you feel more confident, then by all means keep doing them. If they only serve to discourage you, well... then it's still up to you.
mood_swinger23 on November 25th, 2012 10:09 pm (UTC)
Did you try anything before using the Diva? And did you ahve to do a lot of digging with it initially? I know it's much longer than the Lunette, I just didn't want to get a clear cup originally, and both my Lunette and the Diva seem to be the same in terms of stiffness. Not sure it will work because I want something soft, long, AND narrow, but am considering it now and am wondering if you tried anything else.
silver_fyreflysilver_fyrefly on November 25th, 2012 11:00 pm (UTC)
I didn't try any other brand. I kind of wanted something I could buy in a store THAT DAY since I decided to go for cups in the middle of a period. It wasn't until I found this forum after for tips to make sure I'd "done it right" that I realized apparently I was lucky that I got it to fit.

I'm not sure what you mean by "digging" but I assume you mean fishing it out. The end of the stem sits on me just inside the vagina opening, like maybe I'm in to the first knuckle of my thumb and forefinger to let my (short) nails clamp down high enough on the stem to get a grip. Not very far at all but by no means do I lose it way up inside. I tug it down, push my fingers in a little farther to get at the ridged base, then squeeze and remove. Just recently on here I learned sliding a finger up along the edge of it and folding the cup helps release some of the suction and pain I was experiencing on removal. Think of your finger as the hot dog and the cup squishing around your finger as the bun.

Edited at 2012-11-25 11:01 pm (UTC)
mood_swinger23 on November 26th, 2012 02:58 am (UTC)
Yeah, poking/prodding. I only had to fish it out when I lost it. But I had to poke around/dig around excessively to make sure it was open. I haven't had issues w/removal, just getting it in.

And I don't think mine is all the way back, yet the stem is still nearly poking out on mine right now. I'm wondering if with a longer cup I could push it in further more easily (from the middle/bottom) or if it wouldn't make any difference.
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