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11 September 2012 @ 10:11 pm
Hi

I got a small lunette and sometimes it is hard to reach even the stem to get it out. I've seen people say get a longer one such as Meluna XL or NaturalMamma, but when I check the lengths these are only 1mm longer! Sure the cup is longer, but the stem is shorter so will these even be any better? :(

I've heard Diva is long (not sure if it's longer) but also heard it's less comfortable. It has a hollow stem?

When I can reach the stem it's still hard to get out, I think I have short fingers and can only fit one at once. Would a stiff cup make this technique better since the seal would be broken easier? Would a stuff cup be uncomfortable?
 
ozonemamaozonemama on September 11th, 2012 09:46 pm (UTC)
A stiff cup may be uncomfortable but maybe not...it depends on your body. I have tried a small lunette and a naturalmamma and for me the naturalmamma was much easier to reach but is VERY squishy. My cervix is on the high side but I also need firm...the firmer the better. I have heard that firmer cups also have a tendency to sit higher and while I don't know why I have definetly found this to be true. I don't know if any of this is helpful, just my two cents.
foggyimagefoggyimage on September 11th, 2012 10:02 pm (UTC)
I wouldn't say a Diva cup is uncomfortable. I wear mine on occasion but yes the stem is hollow. Use the menstrual cups sizing chart to find a longer cup if you wish. I really do not know anything about the differences between a soft or hard cup. Mine all kind of feel the same to me lol.
questiontyme on September 12th, 2012 12:36 am (UTC)
I used the chart and I don't think there really is any difference in length :( just in the ratio between the cup and the stem. I suppose for the people who cut the stem off there is a difference in length but for people who don't, there wouldn't be any difference.
juliiie87juliiie87 on September 12th, 2012 10:25 am (UTC)
Well, there is still a difference, because for most people, you can't just yank a cup out by the stem, you still need to reach for the cup, so the longer the better ! The Diva is the longest, but its stem is fairly short so overall, not the longest really. I don't see why it would be uncomfortable, unless for someone with a lower cervix or someone unable to break the seal. It's not particularly firm, in any case.

The Natural mamma, which is a very long soft cup with a decent stem, large Yuukii, which is long, firm, high capacity with a long stem, and... the large Si-bell which isn't very long but has a very long stem, would be your best bet. If you decide to consider soft cups after all (I don't see why you shouldn't), you may want to give that last one a go, as several users have reported being able to remove it just by pulling on the stem (!!!). Compare them here :http://menstrualcups.friendhood.net/t497-natualmamma-cup-comparison-photos and there's another very graphic comparison pic under the "diagrams and pictures" FAQ link on the right.
questiontyme on September 12th, 2012 12:37 am (UTC)
Oh. So you need a hard one even though it makes it harder to reach? :S I don't get it!
foggyimagefoggyimage on September 12th, 2012 01:00 am (UTC)
I've heard that stiff cups migrate up more but I've never dealt with it before. I use a ladycup which is supposedly "soft" but I think it's pretty stiff if you ask me. The Moon Cup US and Keeper are both 79 mm which is longer than all the other cups. The rim to base without stem is 54mm so that is long too... These are the longest listed and have a decent capacity if you choose the large size. I know 13mm longer than the Lunette doesn't sound like much but that is more than one cm longer! I don't think it is required to have a stiff cup. It depends on bodily preference I think.
Serpent: neutralserpent_849 on September 12th, 2012 12:51 am (UTC)
with stiff cups it depends. some find them comfortable, some don't. and cups with a longer body are often recommended because for many they are easier to remove than cups with the same total length but a shorter body. i mean you need to reach the bottom for breaking the seal.

you need some experimenting to find out what works for you... for my mum, removal was a disaster when she was trying to remove in the shower, and it put her off for a while...but then she got tired of pads and i encouraged her to try removing on the toilet and she's been a happy cupper ever since :o)

the reason you commonly hear that the diva is uncomfortable is that it's so widely available, and some people might not even know there are other cups. if they turn out to have a low cervix, a diva is likely to be uncomfortable. i know it would be a disaster for me for example. but as the length is fine for you, a diva should be fine - only, the stem is short so see whether you prefer something with a long body plus long stem. the stiffness is the same as of your small lunette.

oh and i believe it's the keeper/moon cup us that has the longest stem.

Edited at 2012-09-12 01:49 pm (UTC)
questiontyme on September 19th, 2012 02:41 am (UTC)
aha, that makes sense about it getting bad reviews from people who didn't research what was best for them, not knowing there were other options. i still heard that hollow stems were worse, perhaps that was because they are harder to clean?
nocebo_domingonocebo_domingo on September 12th, 2012 01:09 am (UTC)
You don't mention bearing down. Are you doing that already?
questiontyme on September 19th, 2012 02:41 am (UTC)
yeah :(
The Disgruntled Katkat144 on September 13th, 2012 02:24 am (UTC)
I have a Divacup and thank heaven since it would seem I'm on the "deep" side.

However, I find that to get mine out, it's easiest by far to break the seal if I can get my finger all the way up to the rim. Since this is, essentially, the length of my finger, I have to pull it down. So here's what I do: I bear down until I can just barely grasp the end of the stem (sometimes this means even using the very tips of my fingernails initially). Keep a firm pressure while still bearing down; I also tug gently as I can move it an itsy bit by doing this, just not far (if it hurts, don't!). I'll hold onto it if I need to stop bearing down (like to breathe! lol) so it doesn't slide back up.

Then bear down again and grip the stem a bit further up, give it a wee tug if I want. This way I can work it down gradually. Once the stem is entirely outside my body, I hold it firmly with one hand so it doesn't slide back up (generally with a bit of downward pressure) and usually I can reach the length of the cup with the middle finger of my other hand to the rim to break the seal. (I cannot imagine how I'd get the thing out if I cut the stem off completely!!!)

I dunno if that made sense or even if that's what you were asking, but that's what I found works for me.


I don't know about the hollow stem being uncomfortable. I don't find it so. I'd think that would make it more flexible and less likely to poke you (I don't feel mine unless I have the cup in not-quite-straight so the stem is bearing slightly to the side). Sometimes a bit annoying when trying to grip because just when you think you have it, it might squish, but maybe it would be harder if it didn't have a bit of give so I could grasp it really tightly.


I can't compare to other cups, though, as the Diva was the first one I got and it seems to work for me just fine.

Edited at 2012-09-13 02:27 am (UTC)
questiontyme on September 19th, 2012 02:42 am (UTC)
yeah. that's what I do and if that's the only solution for people with high cervixes then honestly I don't think I can ever get used to cups or find them preferable. :( i was hoping a longer cup would solve this.
The Disgruntled Katkat144 on September 19th, 2012 03:58 am (UTC)
It doesn't really bother me that much-- more time-consuming than anything for me. But depending on your body, I can see how it could be damn annoying, especially if you just want to whip the thing out and be done with it.
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questiontyme on September 19th, 2012 02:38 am (UTC)
Oh, i swear harder cups were supposed to be easier to to break the seal because you only need to press the bottom of it rather than all the way to the top of the cup to break the seal? Because it would be a lot easier if that were true.
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questiontyme on September 19th, 2012 03:02 am (UTC)
I'm confused. I keep hearing that Yuuki is long and it seems to be longest (alongside MooncupUK is you include stem) but other people mention trying it because Diva was too long http://menstrualcupinfo.wordpress.com/about-yuuki-cup/ has it changed or do the small and large vary drastically?
questiontyme on September 19th, 2012 03:19 am (UTC)
Or actually a Divacup or an XL MeLuna seems longest. Perhaps I can get a swap.

I just hope they aren't majorly wide. :|
questiontyme on September 19th, 2012 03:41 am (UTC)
PS. Is there any way to track this so I know when there's comments?
The Disgruntled Katkat144 on September 19th, 2012 04:00 am (UTC)
I have LJ set up to send me comments whenever someone comments on any of my stuff, period. But I can't remember if there's a way to subscribe to a single post.
questiontyme on September 19th, 2012 06:25 am (UTC)
turns out i am getting emails, just to my lesser used email address, so it works fine after all :)
teacupcake89 on September 19th, 2012 10:18 am (UTC)
have you seen these comparison photos? it's much easier to get an idea of how long they actually are with the stem in photo rather than comparing numbers! :)http://menstrualcups.friendhood.net/f52-moderator-s-photo-library

A soft or a stiff cup make be a good cup for you. bear in mind that a stiff cup is more likely to press on your bladder and 'feel' more noticeable than a soft cup. The Diva cup is about as soft/stiff as your small lunette, I never found the hollow stems a problem than non-hollow stems tbh.

For removal it sounds more like you just need time and practice to refine your technique (like we all do at first!) it will take longer to remove at first but you'll soon get quicker once you get the right technique for you.

If you get a long cup that is the right length for you then you could squeeze the base and rock is side to side and then remove/fold slightly.

To be honest I don't know if anyone can tell you for sure whether a firm or a soft cup would need a finger pressing in the break the seal or not, it's all down to your body and technique! :)