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So I have been looking into buying a new cup to replace my large Green Donna (like Lunette), since I tore half the stem off trying to pull it out.  But I got my period today, a week early, I'm nervous now, as to how I am going to fare getting my cup out this time.  Even when it was 72mm long, I could barely reach it, and then it sometimes will not budge, I can't get my finger up high enough to release the suction.  I am looking at a large si-bell, it's apparently 74mm long, but I wonder if it will be too soft, or maybe soft would be better for me, since I have a high-tension pelvic floor dysfunction.  Does anyone else have PFD?  My pelvic floor muscles spasm and are very difficult to relax.  I need a long cup with high capacity.  My other option seems to be a MeLuna XL, Si-Bell, Natrual Mamma, large Lunette (which is what was my number one recommendation on the menstrual cup quiz, but is also like what I have now).
 
 
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Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on September 3rd, 2012 01:53 pm (UTC)
There are longer cups than the ones you mentioned. Check the various size charts to see if any of them appeal to you. http://sizecharts.livejournal.com/
angelsweep on September 3rd, 2012 02:56 pm (UTC)
I looked at the Diva it's not quite as long as the si-bell. On the Si-Bell website it lists it as being 74mm, while Diva is listed as 70mm. But the Meluna XL is even less I think, but it has great capacity. Does anyone know of any other cups over 72mm?

Edited at 2012-09-03 02:57 pm (UTC)
teacupcake89 on September 3rd, 2012 03:35 pm (UTC)
compare the cups side by side here: http://menstrualcups.friendhood.net/f52-moderator-s-photo-library much easier than comparing numbers! :)

is your current cup too stiff, does it sometimes press on your bladder? stiffer cups can do that so go for a softer one if that's the case. stiffer cups tend to be good for those with very strong pelvic floor muscles, advanced in yoga, pilates etc, but they can feel more uncomfortable/noticeable than softer cups.

what about a large mami cup? there's a recent mami cup review a few posts down that might help!
chamekkechamekke on September 3rd, 2012 04:30 pm (UTC)
compare the cups side by side here: http://menstrualcups.friendhood.net/f52-moderator-s-photo-library much easier than comparing numbers! :)

Are the photos for the MeLuna cups up to date? The photo comparison entries appear not to have been updated since 2010. That's why I've avoided sending people there (when talking about MeLuna cups, at any rate).
teacupcake89 on September 3rd, 2012 05:07 pm (UTC)
I think the meluna cups used in the more recent albums from this year (for Natural Mamma, cuplee, sibell etc) are up to date. I think it's just the melunas that look like the ones in the MCUK album that are the old ones.

I would always advise looking at the new albums as well as the chosen brands as not all the albums have all brands in :)
Serpent: neutralserpent_849 on September 3rd, 2012 05:06 pm (UTC)
the main difference between green donna and lunette is that green donnas are super soft :) my mum uses one and loves it.
@OP she really struggled before she tried simply removing on the toilet, btw. how long did you use the cup? did the stem seem defective to you from the beginning? you may want to work on your removal technique as well, otherwise you risk tearing the stem of your new cup as well...
angelsweep on September 4th, 2012 06:24 am (UTC)
I didn't know that about the green donna serpent_849, thanks! No the stem wasn't defective as far as I know, I have been using it for about 2-3 years. Perhaps it was weakened over time, but it got stuck in there so good, I crouched down but couldn't grab the tip of the stem, pushed, kept grabbing the stem through skin, really hurt, eventually I got a good hold of the stem and pulled it down, so I could grab the cup, but the stem tore off, afterwards I was bleeding and stinging as I tore something inside too. I need a cup that is more reachable so I get a grip on the cup or at least a good grip on the stem. Part of the trouble with the soft flat stem of my cup, which only has little tiny grips is that there's not much to get a good hold of, and I have large hands and long fingers. Sometimes I get bad cramps and pain in my hands too because of my Fibromyalgia, so that makes it tricky to get a good hold, but I am going to try new things this time. I am usally ok at the beginning of my flow, my cup sits lower then. That's why I was looking at Meluna with the ring stem, I thought it seemed more substantial. I am worried my green donna is not medical-grade high quality silicone. Another thing I don't like is the seams and two tiny holes, it's not a problem but it makes it hard to clean.

Edited at 2012-09-04 06:24 am (UTC)
Serpent: neutralserpent_849 on September 4th, 2012 02:31 pm (UTC)
i'd not recommend a meluna ring, there are some known cases of breaking it, besides, the total length is much shorter than some of the longest stems.

all cups have seams as far as i know. the minor faults in the green donnas are the same as in the sample melunas which are perfectly safe to use. they're out of business due to alleged plagiarism, not anything else. the holes are about the same size as of my meluna and lunette, and that's considered quite large. you can clean the holes by filling the cup with water and covering the rim with your palm, then squeezing the water out of the holes.

one bit of good news is that my mum's green donna definitely doesn't have such a long a stem as listed in the sizecharts. i think my measurement was that it's 17-18 mm. so there are more cups with longer stems than what it seems according to the charts.

if you have low cervix days you might need a separate cup for them.
angelsweep on September 5th, 2012 12:16 pm (UTC)
Thanks! I don't have any problem clearing the holes, just they stay stained. My cup is quite stained, I scrub it with a gentle soap after I empty, boil it for 10 mins when I am done, sun it, hydrogen peroxide, baking soda, nothing helps the stains, then randomly of it's own accord it just comes of easy with a good lather of soap and some warm water. I think perhaps I have the wrong soap, I didn't think there would be much difference, as they both have similar ingredients. My low cervix days are at the beginning of my period I think, as the cup doesn't got to far out of reach, just about midway,but I still can't touch my cervix in the crouch position, so my cup is OK for those days except for the potential to leak. Later in my period my cervix must go higher, and the cup- stem and all goes beyond my reach. Either way, I need a new cup, as the stem on mine is only half the original length it was.
Serpent: neutralserpent_849 on September 5th, 2012 02:16 pm (UTC)
this happens to all cups, unfortunately:( i even make sure to wash the holes with cold water, just like the rest of the cup, but they stain anyway:(
it'll be less noticeable on a coloured cup, though;) especially on red/orange/purple...
angelsweep on September 4th, 2012 05:52 am (UTC)
Thanks teacupcake89. I don't have anything to compare my cup to, but to me it feels pretty soft and is easy to bend, I don't feel it pressing on my bladder, although I do get more pain and difficulty during bowel movements, I don't know if that's anything to do with the cup, I doubt it, because sometimes that happens when I am not wearing a cup, it's just worse during my period. I will look at the mami cup too.
teacupcake89 on September 4th, 2012 11:36 am (UTC)
I would say if your cup is sometimes squashed by your muscles, a softer cup will only be more crushed!! so a firmer, long cup would be a good option! :)

the stiffness charts are here: http://menstrualcupinfo.wordpress.com/cup-stiffness-comparison-chart/

ahh, I thought the being a copy, Green Donnas were the same stiffness as the large lunettes! So: a large Lunette could be an option, or a Classic Meluna XL, or a Diva as they are all stiffer than your green donna! :)

it might just be that during your period everything is more sensitive, I certainly do! it might help to remove your cup before a bowel movement and see if that makes any difference :)
angelsweep on September 5th, 2012 12:21 pm (UTC)
Thanks, I have looked at the stiffness chart, very useful! But apparently according to serpent849, the GD is much softer than the Lunette, which makes me wonder how soft my cup is.
teacupcake89 on September 5th, 2012 12:51 pm (UTC)
on a stiffness rating of 1-10, 10 being the firmest:

Green Donna 2/10
Large Lunette 8/10
Diva 4/10
Meluna Classics 6/10

Si-bell and Natural Mamma probably as soft and/or softer than your Green Donna. :)
Serpent: neutralserpent_849 on September 5th, 2012 02:13 pm (UTC)
Melissa doesn't have one. the info in the chart is based on what i told her about the stiffness being very similar to my ladycup and soft melunas:)
angelsweep on September 6th, 2012 03:05 am (UTC)
That's surprising, I feel like my Green Donna is pretty firm, it springs back immediately with a pop when I squish it, it does have some resistance. Meluna have told me they believe I need a Sport.
nocebo_domingonocebo_domingo on September 4th, 2012 12:12 pm (UTC)
The Mami cup is shorter than the Green Donna and has a very smooth base with no grip rings. The stem is also on the short side. I think it would be even harder to remove than the GD.
Goat Friendsfrolicnaked on September 3rd, 2012 07:13 pm (UTC)
Just on the PFD thing -- I do have hypertonic pelvic floor dysfunction, and for me, the softer a cup is, the more likely my muscles are to basically "crush" the cup back in. Like, it will pop open correctly and form a seal. Then I'll stand up -- I have to insert my cups in a squat position to get them in at all -- and my pelvic floor will involuntarily grip. For a stiffer cup, it's not an issue. But for me, a softer cup -- I've tried Lady Cups, Meluna Softs, and Yuukis (when they were the softer variety) -- means that the cup will start to re-fold.
angelsweep on September 4th, 2012 06:33 am (UTC)
Ahh, thanks frolicnaked. My cup does gets crushed, it only opens when I take it out, and I leak often, especially when I remove it. It's strange because when I first started using my cup I had few issues with leaking, and it even seemed to help my pain and shorten my periods. But then my periods got worse, now they are irregular, heavier, excruciating. I think my cup is softer than it used to be too. I find it difficult to get my fingers in there when the cup is in, I can't get them in to feel the rim, I have it sitting on my pelvic bone where I can reach it, but it's pretty much sitting on it's side once in. Do you feel the firmer cups? What cup have you had the greatest success with?
juliiie87juliiie87 on September 4th, 2012 11:27 am (UTC)
I haven't got much experience to offer, but if you want a long, firm cup you could look into a large Yuuki...
angelsweep on September 5th, 2012 12:02 pm (UTC)
Thanks, I have looked at the Yuuki, but I wasn't sure about the stem, being hollow, and it looked a bit too stiff for me.
juliiie87juliiie87 on September 5th, 2012 12:09 pm (UTC)
I think they made it hollow so it would be less stiff... I don't personally have an issue with the hollow stem on my cup, as I don't get much goop down by the stem. Anyway, it's very long with great capacity.
Goat Friendsfrolicnaked on September 4th, 2012 11:35 pm (UTC)
I do feel the larger, firmer cups -- I've tried large Lunette and large Fleurcup and felt them both.

I also have what's now called the Medium Meluna Mini (that's 45mm x 45mm) and do not feel that as much as I did the longer cups. I'm not sure if it's because with the Meluna, the wide part is mostly just at the rim, and the rest tapers down fast -- whereas the Lunette and the Fleur are much more bell-shaped cups.

My current "best bet" cup in terms of comfort is my small MCUK -- though I'm still considering purchasing one of the newer model Meluna Sports. (The medium's dimensions look more comfortable to me, but I could definitely use the capacity of the large.)
angelsweep on September 6th, 2012 02:54 am (UTC)
Ok, I've got an email from Meluna now, with a recommendation. They recommend I buy a medium or possibly a large Meluna sport! They believe my green donna is too big and/or too soft for me. I think they indicated that they would give me a large and a medium side sport for the price of one. I was just thinking my Green Donna is actually a pretty firm cup, after doing some comparisons to videos and photos, then I got their email. Does anyone have a MeLuna sport?


Edited at 2012-09-06 03:06 am (UTC)
angelsweep on September 6th, 2012 04:33 am (UTC)
I don't think a medium meluna will work for me, just looking at the measurements, it's far too short and lower capacity for my high cervix and heavy flow. I don't think the large will be much better than what I have either.
juliiie87juliiie87 on September 6th, 2012 01:08 pm (UTC)
I wouldn't bother with meluna in your case, and i don't agree with their rec either. Yuuki or Natural Mamma it should be !
angelsweep on September 14th, 2012 02:21 pm (UTC)
Thanks friends, for all your advice, I've taken it all onboard. So... after weeks of fretting - it really came down to meluna, naturalmamma, si-bell, lunette, and mamicup, I finally caved in tonight, and have ordered a Naturalmamma from femininewear.co.uk, my first time using paypal too! :) I was worried, because half of the cups that I preferred didn't really have much info, especially on their safety certification, and manufacturing info. Yeah - so I'm kind of obsessed by stuff like this. So in the end I just thought "well, my Green Donna is made in China anyway, and as far as I know it hasn't affected my health - though this is really hard to tell, as my health is always normally bad, and I have gone hill since using a cup...probably unrelated. I may still buy a Meluna later, or one of the others. I just don't really trust TPE enough, I'd really need to see and touch a real one myself first - I don't think it will affect my health, I just believe silicone to be maybe more resilient, and I read some folks here had problems with an unpleasant odor from the meluna, that put me off. Actually I just got through my period with my old GD with broken stem, without a hitch - as far as the cup was concerned, apart from my cramps being worse, and having other issues, the cup performed very well, and it's possible I've worked out pretty much where and how to place my cup correctly without it riding up all the time, or leaking - after a year or two of using it! I was a bit put off the naturalmamma too, when I saw it on ebay in the same box my green donna came in with a green donna on the front and all. I know it's a soft cup, and some folks have recommended a firmer one, including Meluna staff. But what is more important to me right now is that it is long, comfortable and easy to remove.


Edited at 2012-09-14 02:39 pm (UTC)
DaisyMaeBdaisymaeb on September 11th, 2012 06:19 pm (UTC)
I don't have PFD, but I do have a very high cervix and have a hard time reaching the stem of my Keeper Mooncup.

The Keeper mooncup doesn't hold much and I found the stem would poke me when I sat down or twisted. Ouch!

I finally broke down and bought the MeLuna XL Classic ring stem. I'm using it this month and LOVE it! I was really worried about being about to reach the ring stem so I attached a bit of string to it (the type that one uses for cooking a turkey). I got the idea from a post here and it's kinda like a tampon string. I can't feel the Meluna at all! I haven't had any leaks either. It also holds so much more than my Keeper Mooncup. I'm thrilled!

When I ordered the MeLuna, I also ordered a Mami, but I haven't had the need to try it out yet. I love my MeLuna.

Edited at 2012-09-11 06:22 pm (UTC)