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Lynx Logan
15 July 2012 @ 08:54 pm
Okay, I posted here last month, but can't figure out how to find my old post and add to it, so I'm starting a new one. I just started my 4th (I think) cycle w/my DivaCup size 2 and definitely think I want something shorter. I put it in this morning inside out (having ascertained last month that right side out was just NOT happening) and it was actually great - I couldn't feel it at all and no real leakage despite walking and playing w/kids and having it in from about 9am to 3pm.  However, when I finally went to remove and empty it, I discovered that the point had gone way up inside the cup - it was basically half-way to turning itself right-side out again. I'm assuming that the fact that being so folded made it about half the real length is why it was so much more comfortable than usual. However, it was a bit harder - and much messier - than usual to remove because since there was no point to grab it was like trying to unsuction a slick doughnut.  Usually it rides so low I can grab it with basically no effort (though I'd rather it be higher). I took the "Which Cup is Right for You" (probably mangled that title) quiz and came out with these recommendations: FemmeCup (One size), Large Iris Cup, MoonCup UK A, Natu 2, JuJu 2, NaturCup 2(not specified what the real length without the stem is! This brand does not have a lot of information available).

Can anyone give me some more specific recommendations?  I'm almost 32, have given birth vaginally to 3 children (all over 9 lbs, last one over 10.5 lbs), and probably have weak pelvic muscles.

Also, I seem to be needing to pee a lot today - could that be a side effect of the cup or is it probably just me not realizing how much water I drank today?
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Serpent: neutralserpent_849 on July 16th, 2012 06:33 am (UTC)
the cup can certainly mess with peeing/pooping, especially if you're not using it as intended. i can't use my small meluna inside out because of this, seems to affect the rim of the cup somehow...

the naturcup is about as long as the diva i think... idk why you got such obscure recs, there are very few ppl for whom 52-53mm cups are too long. so there are the large lunette, fleurcup, meluna etc. find more in the sizecharts and choose by the stiffness http://menstrualcupinfo.wordpress.com/cup-stiffness-comparison-chart/ and maybe other factors like the stem, shape, colours...
Lynx Loganlynxt on July 17th, 2012 06:49 pm (UTC)
Good to know
Thanks - is that only an issue when it's turned inside out or do some cups affect peeing/pooping even when being used correctly?

I don't know if I really care about stiffness at this point - my biggest concern is staying-in-ness :P. My Diva likes to creep down even when inside out - to the point at which I've sat down to pee and found the bottom of the cup almost completely out. Would a wider cup - which I'm hoping might stay put better - also be more likely to make me feel like I need to pee more? Though I don't think I'd mind that so much if I wasn't afraid I was going to pee on my cup and/or push it out while attempting to pee...
Serpent: neutralserpent_849 on July 17th, 2012 10:37 pm (UTC)
Re: Good to know
it can also be a problem due to stiffness. many comment on how a large lunette might feel too wide but then a softer cup with similar dimensions works just fine for them.
there isn't really anything considerably wider than the large diva. one mm won't make a difference. strengthen your muscles and try something shorter :)

my cups stick out when i'm sitting on the toilet. doesn't make me pee more, though i do like the thought of a cup that wouldn't stick out no matter what. however my cervix is reallllly low and i can't imagine using a diva, even inside out. i think any shorter cup would be a significant improvement.

do you have a heavy flow though? if not, a medium meluna mini should be a great choice. that's my preferred cup :) unlike my newer small meluna, it works just fine inside out.

oh and as for peeing on the cup... it's actually recommended to pee a tiny bit, even a few drops, right after inserting the cup. that's to prevent uti's. and theoretically peeing on your cup to clean it is okay in an extreme situation. idk if that's tmi but i've never noticed my cup smelling with pee though it gets on them every time. i usually hold my cup with a finger to prevent it from pushing out/catch it if needed (never happened). which means i pee on this finger, yes... doesn't bother me.

Edited at 2012-07-17 10:42 pm (UTC)
Lynx Loganlynxt on July 17th, 2012 11:48 pm (UTC)
Re: Good to know
I don't think my flow's especially heavy - I've never filled the diva and when I used pads I could go several hours w/o leaking.

I did not know that about the pee and it actually makes me feel much better - I've been totally freaked about that. I've pretty much been taking my cup out when I pee cause it's so close to coming out anyways that it seemed easier - though peeing on my finger would probably have worked too ;). Do you have to turn the medium meluna mini inside out to get it to stay up out of the way or does it work normally?
Serpent: neutralserpent_849 on July 18th, 2012 02:25 am (UTC)
Re: Good to know
well, i prefer to use it inside out, but i sometimes wear it right side out to get rid of staining/smell if i've worn it for too long. it's not 100% comfortable but i've still got a nib of the stem left.
but my cervix is RIGHT THERE, maybe one cm in. it's very dangly and i have to let any cup open as soon as the rim is fully inside.
Serpent: neutralserpent_849 on July 18th, 2012 02:28 am (UTC)
Re: Good to know
another cup that more or less works for me is a large ladycup, btw. it's wide so it can fit deep around my cervix. it hurts insanely if i insert it right side out though, the rim touches/presses on something...
Lynx Loganlynxt on July 18th, 2012 04:21 am (UTC)
Re: Good to know
Have you tried the Fleurcup or Si-bell?
Serpent: neutralserpent_849 on July 18th, 2012 08:09 am (UTC)
Re: Good to know
nope. the fleurcup would be too long for me, as it doesn't get shorter inside out due to its shape.
Lynx Loganlynxt on July 20th, 2012 02:44 am (UTC)
Re: Good to know
Makes sense. So does the medium meluna mini have a reasonable capacity? I'm not crazy heavy, but would like to be able to go at least 6 hrs - or from kids getting up to them going down for naptime ;).
Serpent: neutralserpent_849 on July 20th, 2012 02:55 am (UTC)
Re: Good to know
is your cervix also dangly? i can only fill my cups by 1/3 or max half-way because my cervix sits in the cup. fine for me, but if this feels like taking a risk then maybe get a large fleurcup. or you could get a medium mini+large regular meluna. the new large holds more than a diva, but on the lighter days you might prefer the mini one.
Lynx Loganlynxt on July 20th, 2012 10:59 pm (UTC)
Re: Good to know
You are a wealth of information - thank you! How do I tell if my cervix is dangly? And do you have any advice on softness and/or grip types? I was just looking on the Meluna site and they said a cup might slide down if it's too small?
Serpent: neutralserpent_849 on July 21st, 2012 12:33 pm (UTC)
Re: Good to know
if it feels dangly then it is :) some have compared it to a small penis hahaha. mine is certainly like that XD
basically, don't stop when you feel the tip of your cervix. can you reach further? if you can, your cup will also be able too unless it's too narrow. this means your cup doesn't have to be shorter than the distance to your cervix. this also means your cervix will sit in the cup and take up some space, though.

there's a great video on that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qEaCn2w9Y4

do you mean the grip rings or the meluna stem options? whichever meluna you get, i recommend getting either a traditional stem or basic. you can cut off a stem easily but not a ring or a ball XD i did cut off a ball once but it's left the bottom slightly damaged, so that i'm paranoid that it might eventually tear. oops. definitely not recommended.
tjstjstjstjstjstjs on January 9th, 2013 07:56 am (UTC)
Re: Good to know
Hi Serpent -
This is not to do with Linxt's question, but I see you say you had trouble cutting your MeLuna ball off.
I was going to get a MeLuna with the ball, since I am short inside, thinking that the ball would probably be fine. But if it is not, I can't cut it off? I am wondering about your experience.
Would you suggest that I get it with a stem so I can cut that? Is the stem easier to cut off?
(I would get a basic with no stem, but the colors available are limited, so I won't)
Serpent: neutralserpent_849 on January 9th, 2013 09:06 am (UTC)
Re: Good to know
Well it's been over a year ago and my cup is still fine. a stem is certainly easier to cut off.
which size are you getting? is this your first cup?
tjstjstjstjstjstjs on January 9th, 2013 10:07 am (UTC)
Re: Good to know
I think I'll just get a stem then. The ball is really cute, but I'll probably need to cut it off (given my MCUK size B is about as long as I could go). This is my second cup. I wanted something ever so slightly shorter (and MeLuna have nice colors :D )
I emailed MeLuna and what they/Frank said in reply was to get the stick-stem.
I'm gonna get a medium size, I think. A soft and a classic, I think. See my indecisiveness here: http://menstrual-cups.livejournal.com/3004502.html
Capacity is no worry for me as I have a light flow.
Thanks for your help!
Serpent: neutralserpent_849 on July 21st, 2012 12:59 pm (UTC)
Re: Good to know
here's a stiffness chart: http://menstrualcupinfo.wordpress.com/cup-stiffness-comparison-chart/
i think the actual options are more like "pretty soft", "quite stiff", "very stiff"... there are quite few medium stiffness cups nowadays.
juliiie87juliiie87 on July 25th, 2012 12:10 pm (UTC)
Re: Good to know
I know it's a bit late but in case you still wonder... The medium mini Meluna holds the theoretical capacity of a super plus tampon, 15ml to the holes. That is without your cervix stealing capacity, but it's not too bad!
Lynx Loganlynxt on August 8th, 2012 04:21 am (UTC)
Re: Good to know
Thanks! It's not really too late cause I still haven't actually purchased anything. I went on the Meluna website and surfed around, but I'm terrible at actually committing to a decision and those two-fer packages are so tempting cause they seem like a good deal. I haven't checked for dangly since I'm not on my period right now, but think there might be a bit of that going on. Is the difference between the Meluna Classic and the Meluna mini really significant?
juliiie87juliiie87 on August 8th, 2012 11:02 am (UTC)
Re: Good to know
The more I look at your post, the more I think heavy flow + low cervix + weak PC muscles => large Fleurcup.

With the bell-shaped Melunas, you'd have a choice between the small, which is ridiculously tiny (38x45) or the medium (41x48) also considered a "small" cup, so that wouldn't be a very good fit considering you've had children and probably have weaker muscles due to that... capacity is 20ml for the medium, which is ok, but definitely less than the 30 ml of the Fleurcup.
Worst case it'll feel a bit long at the end of your period, if that's when your cervix drops lower, but that's not even for certain given how it fits around the cervix, and it'll still come handy for your heaviest days.
juliiie87juliiie87 on July 16th, 2012 07:58 am (UTC)
Yeah, I second the advice above. So apparently your cervix is low, I'm guessing in the 2" and under range ? that's the most important information really... Add in the fact that you need a wide cup. if you want it softer than a Diva rigth side out then large Fleurcup and Si-bell fit the bill. If not, large Lunette is a bit firmer.
Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on July 16th, 2012 01:42 pm (UTC)
Your fitment issues sound a lot like mine. I second the recommendations for a large Fleurcup.

I found happiness with a large Lunette and I *LOVE* it -- but sometimes it feels "obvious" and wonder if maybe I'd like the Fleurcup better only because it's a little softer. On the other hand, the stiffness of the Lunette pops easily and seals securely.

I also have a large UK Mooncup that I use for light days -- and if you eventually want a second cup, then the Femmecup is nearly identical and usually a little cheaper, so maybe that would be one you'd want to consider as well.
Lynx Loganlynxt on July 17th, 2012 09:52 pm (UTC)
Softness important?
So everyone's recommendations now seem to involve firmness. How critical is this factor?
juliiie87juliiie87 on July 18th, 2012 12:50 am (UTC)
Re: Softness important?
I couldn't really say, since it really is a matter of personnal preference... Some people say firmer cups put pressure on their bladder while softer cups are less likely to be felt at all. Some people have very strong pelvic muscles from exercising, pilates, kegels and such, who could break a soft cup's seal when they tighten them. This doesn't seem like it would be your case, is it ? If your cup is peeking out so easily, my guess is, it's either because you cervix is so low it tries to kick it out, or it's because your muscles are too weak to hold it in place ? In this case, you may benefit from kegel excercises to shape them up.

To tell you my experience, my cup is very soft and just about the size of my vagina, with the stem trimmed to where I can't feel it inside, and even while passing a (difficult) bowel movement, my cup won't peak out. I'm not athletic at all, but I am young and childfree so I don't think I have particularly weak pelvic floor muscles either.

Try to determine how you feel about your current cup and go from there... I'm guessing it's not imperative that you get a very different cup stiffness-wise, but softer wouldn't hurt to try.

Next period, reach in for your cervix and try to determine weather it's super low (-> medium mini Meluna) or just too low for your Diva to fit properly (-> large Fleurcup or Si-Bell). I'll rule out large Lunette just for the sake of comfort, since it is firmer than a Diva.

Edit : According to Meluna.eu, softer cups are indicated for softer pelvic muscles... so my intuition was right.

Edited at 2012-07-18 03:05 pm (UTC)
Lynx Loganlynxt on July 19th, 2012 04:32 am (UTC)
Re: Softness important?
So I tried to measure last night and - if I'm doing it right - found it only maybe 1 1/2 inches in. My period's over today though, so maybe it lowers as it goes? I know I tried to check last time and remember it being higher than that - not a lot, but maybe at least 2 inches? So would that be low or super low? Btw, what is your cup?

Edited at 2012-07-19 04:34 am (UTC)
juliiie87juliiie87 on July 19th, 2012 02:45 pm (UTC)
Re: Softness important?
Usually one's cervix drops lower for the beginning of one's period and is highest around ovulation time, but your milage may vary.

Ok so that's 36 mm according to my calculator hehe ^^, so it is fairly low compared to cup length, and especially compared to a Diva (46x57). You could try a large Fleurcup or Si-Bell (46x52) if you wanted great capacity, it might just work, because it has a rounder shape and some people with such low cervix can wear it, and it would still be about the size of a Diva inside out. But if you don't care much about capacity (depending on how heavy your flow is), it might be safest to try a mini meluna medium (45x45).

My cup (in my icon!) is a L Cuplee 44x53, softness probably most comparable to Si-Bell or soft Meluna.