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01 June 2012 @ 03:00 am
I had been a faithful user of  both the diva cup and the keeper for years, but they are now too small for me after childbirth. I am 5'10" and 210 lbs or so. I am not happy to be using tampons again. It looks like the diiva cup is one of the largest according to the size chart and it is too small. Is there anything else that might work? I am 34 and my flow is beyond heavy especially since I am breastfeeding. Oh, and also I live in Canada so I am not sure if everything is available here.
 
Miaankhst on June 1st, 2012 10:51 am (UTC)
I assume you were using the large size before. There are a couple of cups that are wider than the Diva (XL Meluna, Naturcup, Mpower - if you can find one), but there's only 1mm in it.

Is it leaking or slipping? Either way it can probably be helped by addressing the muscles. Kegal exercises are very important.

If you're set on getting a different cup (I have met women who refuse to rehabilitate their pelvic floor post childbirth, so it's not unheard of), you might want to consider a wider bodied cup for more points of contact (like the XL Meluna, Fleurcup, Lunette) if if feels like you just aren't getting a good enough grip, or a shorter cup (eg. Lunette, Fleurcup) if you think your cervix is pushing it out.

Edited at 2012-06-01 11:37 am (UTC)
watergirl4 on June 1st, 2012 12:25 pm (UTC)
It is leaking and slipping. Yes, I have been doing kegels, squats, lunges, boot camp, running etc. etc., but it is like the muscles are shot after two deliveries. I had been using the diva cup most recently, maybe I should try again or try one of the other brands.
Miaankhst on June 1st, 2012 12:39 pm (UTC)
Yeah, sounds like your muscles might be in need of a bit more 'physio' than you expected. Keep it up.

One thing that might also help is to get a pair of vaginal toning balls and wear them when you do weight training or core training. They help strengthen the muscles on their own, but combined with other exercise they're extra beneficial. You have to work harder to hold them in when doing squats and lunges (many people unintentionally bear down when squatting - you can hear evidence of it sometimes). Holding the balls in makes sure you engage all of the muscle groups together when you do core and lower body training.

This topic came up in some weight lifting forums I was on a while back. Some women with prolapse can have trouble with squats because they don't engage the right muscles in the right ways when doing heavy lifting. It's the same issue in a different form. I have quite strong pelvic floor muscles, but even I was quite surprised to find I wasn't doing what I thought I was when the going got tough.
Miaankhst on June 1st, 2012 12:40 pm (UTC)
...but in the short term, a different brand may help solve the immediate problem.
for emily, wherever, whenever i shall find hertornattheelbo on June 1st, 2012 01:04 pm (UTC)
i hadn't thought of using them combined with other exercises, thanks for the tip!
watergirl4 on June 1st, 2012 02:43 pm (UTC)
Thanks for everyone's help! I am eleven months post partum.!Maybe I will try the cup again, maybe my muscles have improved since last try. Yes, I have tried soft up or instead, it also leaks and seems too small. I can't find a brand of tampons big enough either, but would rather go back to a cup obviously! Thanks a million!
watergirl4 on June 2nd, 2012 01:48 am (UTC)
Thanks, I ordered the Meluna XL, I will try it out. Crazy how much giving birth twice changes your body
Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on June 1st, 2012 11:29 am (UTC)
What do you mean by too small? That they are... Too short? Too narrow? Not enough capacity?

Perhaps a similarly sized but differently shaped cup would fit better? Large Yuuki? XL Meluna? According to http://sizecharts.livejournal.com/ they have higher capacities than the large Diva. (Your Keeper is fairly low in capacity.) Check side by side photos to compare the shape differences.

I'm also guessing that your vaginal muscles are still recovering from pregnancy and childbirth. Keep up on your Kegel routine to strengthen your pelvic floor. Also add squats for your butt muscles and lower abdominal crunches because those muscles all work together.
Cenamenhoneypie3251 on June 1st, 2012 12:42 pm (UTC)
How many months post partum are you? I had my first post partum period 3 months after delivering and it seemed like my cup would be pushing out. It took me a few good months after doing exercises of kegels, squats, and ab work for my cups to fit beautifully again. It can take a little bit of time.
for emily, wherever, whenever i shall find hertornattheelbo on June 1st, 2012 01:07 pm (UTC)
have you tried the instead cups? They work more like a diaphragm, you can buy them in most well-stocked pharmacies, but sometimes I have to do some calling around if i'm looking for them. I have only had one pregnancy but they worked for me.
chamekke: canada_flagcheek_by_wicked_visionschamekke on June 1st, 2012 06:12 pm (UTC)
Here in Canada you can find exactly 2 cups for sale at your local pharmacy: the DivaCup (= a true menstrual cup) and the Insteads 'softcup' (which as someone else mentioned is more like a diaphragm). These are the only ones approved by Health Canada and available for sale here. This doesn't mean that other cups are unsafe, just that most other cup manufacturers haven't specifically applied for Health Canada approval. (Most cup manufacturers are small, and Canada is a small market.)

That said, you can order cups from other countries without any problem — they won't be stopped by Canada Customs, or anything like that. I've ordered via the Internet from MeLuna in Germany, for example, and their customer service (and product) was stellar.

So, if you do some research and identify a cup that's not available here, that's honestly not an obstacle to getting it. You'll just have to order it online, that's all.

P.S. You can also buy cups from other users on the mc_sales comm. This is a good way to try out different cups relatively cheaply (and if you have a cup you don't want to keep, you can sell it there).
pixieannie1 on June 2nd, 2012 12:46 am (UTC)
Give it a little more time
Giving birth really takes a toll on the body and the pelvic floor in particular. I'm eleven months post-partum and I'm finding that over the past four or five months my ideal cup (ideal after my first baby) has slowly started to feel a little better with every cycle. When I used it for my first cycle since the birth of my second child it kept coming out especially when I'd cough or sneeze. It's now finally starting to stay in place consistently during my entire period.

Doing kegels as well as doing exercises that target your transverse abdominals (ie-pilates based exercises like the plank... google "transverse abdominal exercises" and you'll get a lot of info) is very important (it's also the ideal muscle group to work on to help get rid of the tummy pooch many women get after having a baby and it'll really help with back pain).

If you've given birth vaginally then working on the pelvic floor is something you really should do daily for the rest of your life.


Edited at 2012-06-02 12:50 am (UTC)
gertrude3 on June 3rd, 2012 09:11 pm (UTC)
I am in the same boat!
My cycles just returned 10 months post-partum after my 2nd child, and I'd been using the Diva cup no problem for over 5 yrs, and now it leaks! I can feel it leaking throughout the day and it drives me crazy. Been kegeling for the passed couple cycles with no noticeable difference.
I think I might try finding a larger size for the meantime and keep kegeling.
Has anyone with this post-birth leaking problem found a new cup that works well?
I am not sure if larger cups, which are only a few millimeters wider, will make that much difference.
Is it worth a shot?
m03m on June 4th, 2012 08:38 am (UTC)
May I suggest that you make a new posting of your own? More people will see it and you'll probably get more, and possibly better, responses.