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30 May 2012 @ 06:07 pm

I joined livejournal just to post here asking for help after receiving my Mooncup size B and trying it out today. I'm not put off by cups, but I have had a really terrible experience.

I don't know how to hide things for after the jump so I just want to say this could be a trigger if you're put off by pain, (non-menstrual) blood, or just bad things happening to your girly bits in general. This will also be very TMI, but that's what this place is for right?

That said, I am 5'2", 17, non-virgin, 110lbs. Basically, I received it in the mail yesterday and tried for a dry run. I used the C fold to insert it which turned out to be a horrible idea for me. Extreme discomfort. Deal with it! No! Bad idea! Get it out! Having this thing in me was SOOO uncomfortable that I was fighting to rip it out within 2 minutes. It made me feel like I had to pee and was very painful on my vaginal walls. So, time to remove it. I tug. I twist. I attempt to break the seal. It doesn't budge. I'm almost in tears from the pain but trying desperately to relax.

Take a breather... get my fingers out of there for a few minutes-- I see that they're covered in blood and there are bits of tissue on them! Either in insertion or attempt at removal I tore something in my vagina. What?! I eventually wrangle the little bugger out of my baby birther and the outside of it is covered in chunky thick pink blood : ( Since it was on the outside I'm guessing it all happened on the way down and out, not on the way in. Removal was so unbearably painful. I had to sit on my toilet holding toilet paper to my vagina with one hand for like 20 minutes till I stopped oozing and after I put a pantyliner on... Spent the next 2 hours laying in bed with extreme vaginal pain feeling completely drained, I guess from what I had gone through. It was a million times worse than losing my virginity, which was fine.

I was super sad that the cup thing didn't work out for me after having spent my money on it and all, so I gave it another go this morning! I figured the C fold was too wide for me and used the 7 fold today. I was right and it went in fine! Could barely feel it except the stem which drove me crazy, but I'm waiting to see how things shift during my period before I trim it or anything. I had it in all day and just went to my bathroom to remove it (I have super heavy discharge so I just left it in and tried to get used to things today, might as well take advantage!). I felt more knowledgeable about how things would go this time, and insertion had gone so well. Nope. Took several positions and 30 minutes to get it out. Sat on the toilet, put a foot on the toilet, put a foot on the bathroom counter, laid on my back, squatted on my feet, sat on my knees with my legs spread... absolutely NOTHING helped get it out.

I twisted. I squished the base. I got the base to hang out, but the rim refused to budge. A few times I managed to get a finger in there at the same time and break the seal, but then with it squished out all wide like that, how am I supposed to pull it out?! I eventually sucked it up and pulled it out, again blood all over the rim of it. I figured whatever I tore yesterday could only be out of my way at this point but I guess not. The pain was just as bad today. I've been trying not to cry ever since. I'm in a lot of pain. I really want to make this work but I simply DON'T understand how to remove it. I did manage to get it inside of me and not feel it once it was in, so I feel like this cup could be a good fit for me.

1) Please, does anyone know how to remove these things painlessly? I've been reading the removal sections on here but nothing seems to apply to me. : ( I don't think anyone else has had an experience like this. How do you get only one edge of it out at a time? The whole thing seems to want to pop out at once and wreck me. Which it does. Successfully.

2) Has anyone else injured themselves so badly with this they bled like I did?! This is unbearable. I'm so sore.

Also, I am positive I am not on/starting my period. I'm on the pill and never have spotting in between. I'm positive this blood is from the trauma. I even identified where it's coming from, it tore somewhere on the upper/front left side. I also tried wetting things down to ease insertion/removal, didn't make a difference except I couldn't grip anything. I know my body very well and have never had any problems of this nature before.

If anyone has any advice on how I can not hurt myself I'd really appreciate it. ANY removal advice will be very appreciated. Hearing someone else say this happened to them too would be nice on one hand, but on the other, I sincerely hope nobody here can relate to what I'm going through. My whooole entire pelvis hurts right now and this was a horrible experience. :'(

Thank you guys so much. I'm sorry this post is massive. : (

Sock Be A Lady Tonight: lion who talkssockbealady on May 30th, 2012 10:44 pm (UTC)
1) To get it out, have you tried bearing down (like having a bowel movement)? I had a hard time getting my cup out at first, but I learned to bear down and gently rock my cup back and forth while squeezing the base to release suction in order to pop it out.

2) Do you think you may have scratched yourself with a fingernail? I've had that happen before (someone else did it to me, not me). Nicked me with a nail and bled because of it. If done hard enough/more than once, it could probably cause pain and enough bleeding to look like spotting.

Edited at 2012-05-30 10:44 pm (UTC)
worldonmystring on May 30th, 2012 10:52 pm (UTC)
I beared down to push the base to pop out some, but it seems to make things tighter regarding getting the rim out of the opening, so I just have to relax if there's any hope.

I meant to mention I didn't do it with a nail. I imagine if I scratched or pinched myself in any way I would have felt it. The horrible stretching, ripping sensation from the cup seems like enough to for me to deduce that it was the cause. :(

I even cut them extra short today before I did anything because I recognized that as a possibility.

I'll keep trying to bear down and rock it, but squeezing the base does nothing to release the suction for me. However, I'm guessing that's because the moon cup is pretty stiff(?). Thank you!!
Sock Be A Lady Tonightsockbealady on May 30th, 2012 10:55 pm (UTC)
The Mooncup may not be the cup for you. Sometimes it's a hit and miss with cups since everyone's body parts are different. I have the Lunette Selene currently, and I love it.

When you squeeze the base, do you barely squeeze or go for a full-on pinching of it? I pinch mine pretty hard to release suction. You may have to get rough with the cup to make it behave/work.
worldonmystring on May 30th, 2012 11:45 pm (UTC)
I'm thinking the brim of the mooncup might just be too stiff for me. My insides still feel like they're on fire... I don't have the money to toss around for another but I think you may be right. I was considering buying a Meluna since they seem nice and soft. We'll see!

I pinch it so the inside walls touch each other completely all the way up the cup. It does absolutely nothing. :/
Sock Be A Lady Tonightsockbealady on May 30th, 2012 11:52 pm (UTC)
There is a site associated with this one that has members selling gently used cups at decent prices. http://mc-sales.livejournal.com/ is the link (because I don't know how to insert LJ name tags). You may want to check that out and see what is available pricing wise, as long as you don't mind a semi-used cup being bought.

Edited at 2012-05-30 11:53 pm (UTC)
worldonmystring on May 31st, 2012 12:08 am (UTC)
That doesn't bother me much, thank you! I do think I see one on there I want. : ) Kind of scared to mess with my mooncup again :'(
Sock Be A Lady Tonightsockbealady on May 31st, 2012 12:14 am (UTC)
Don't fear! Some people just GET it. Others have a learning curve.

Also, if you use lube as the person below said to, make SURE it is not a silicone-based lube. That's an ER visit you don't want to have to deal with.
worldonmystring on May 31st, 2012 12:43 am (UTC)
I have a water based KY I always use to help me swap piercings out. I'm not sure if it's something I'm doing wrong or if my anatomy physically can't handle it. but I'm feeling super grumpy right now seeing as I just spent the last 2 hours crying over how much my vagina hurts so don't listen to me.

Sock Be A Lady Tonightsockbealady on May 31st, 2012 12:51 am (UTC)
Hey, it's fine and understandable. When your vagina doesn't feel good, you don't feel good.
Ashatenlegspider on May 30th, 2012 11:42 pm (UTC)
I don't know what went wrong, but leave it alone for a few days! If you get a cut on the corner of your mouth, it'll open up if you open your mouth too wide. It's the same in your vag, so the bleeding the second time may have all been from opening up your wound. I'm impressed that you weren't put off, but let it heal.

As for wetting it, if you think that would help with insertion try proper lube. I apply it to myself so it doesn't make the cup slippery.
worldonmystring on May 30th, 2012 11:47 pm (UTC)
I figured since it stopped hurting and a day had passed that it would be okay. I probably did open up the same spot again. I felt more tearing. I just don't understand why this is happening. :(

I seemed to be able to insert it fine and painlessly with the 7 fold today. I thought I'd be able to get it out fine too. Thanks for the idea about putting the lube on me rather than the device.

Your guys' feedback really means a lot to me, thank you : )
It's Not Fair, Laika.itsnotfairlaika on May 31st, 2012 03:40 am (UTC)
I know it is scary at first, but definitely keep practicing (after letting yourself heal first!) My first few tries removing were horrible as well. I couldn't get it low enough to grab and finally when I did, I couldn't break the seal, so I just pulled it out and it huuuuurt! I have no idea why I had such a difficult time at first because now I can get it out so fast and easy. I think it's just one of those things that you get used to after a while. Sitting on the toilet or squatting in the shower is how I always get it out, but I see you tried that and it didn't work. Keep practicing. The biggest issue with cups is the learning curve, but after that it is so worth it! Good luck!
worldonmystring on May 31st, 2012 01:12 pm (UTC)
Thanks a lot for relating! I can break the seal but I can't break it and move it at the same time. I can't fit more than 1 finger in me with that thing, when I do manage to even fit a finger in to break the seal. So I can break it and the air rushes in then it's just stuck anyway. so I go back to pulling and it pops right open again. i'm getting a new cup, then giving up if that doesn't work. this mooncup is absolutely horrible.
It's Not Fair, Laika.itsnotfairlaika on May 31st, 2012 03:39 pm (UTC)
You shouldn't need more than one finger. What I do is bear down so the cup gets really low (so the stem is sticking out), then slide one finger up along the cup. Then I use one hand to grab the base and the finger to push to break the seal and then I just wiggle it out.

I think you should practice with the cup you have before rushing to buy a new one. I did the exact same thing- the Ladycup wasn't working for me so I bought a Divacup which was 1000 times worse! I ended up getting the hang of the Ladycup which was a perfect fit for me, I just had to get past the learning curve, and now I have this useless Divacup laying around :P
worldonmystring on June 1st, 2012 11:00 pm (UTC)
I think I'll take my chances, just because there is no WAY I'm putting that thing near me ever again. Still in a lot of pain. It's just too stiff and the brim is too thick to be able to pass in and out of me without pain. I need something softer to ever try this again. Seriously throbbing still. my poor hoohoo. :P
Alwynsabishii_kirito on May 31st, 2012 06:33 am (UTC)
No idea if it would help (I'd be scared of putting it back in too, after your experience), but if you do try a cup again, it might be worth a shot at folding it into a c-fold shape when you take it out. It oozes everywhere, but it helps me when things are tense. You need to get a good grip on it otherwise it'll pop open which hurts, but it reduces the size a lot if you can get it in the c shape.
worldonmystring on May 31st, 2012 01:10 pm (UTC)
That's the issue, I can't fold it at ALL inside me. There's no room and it's so stiff and the suction is so strong that it's hopeless. There is literally nooo way for me to fold it in me. I really tried! I even had posts open on here looking for advice, it was a no go. I'm just going to get a new cup. If the new one doesn't work I'm done with this.
rawlicious on May 31st, 2012 01:41 pm (UTC)
i definitely recommend trying a ladycup. they are really squishy and i cannot feel mine one bit and when i take it out, it doesn't hurt at all. as long as you can get a good grip on the cup. look into the different cups and make an informed decision.

have you tried to pee right before taking it out? i find the muscles used for peeing help to push the cup downwards and makes it much easier. pretend you have to pee as fast as possible, like you want it all out at once - using a lot of your muscles and the cup should dislodge itself a bit so it's more accessible. if that makes any sense...

also i tried to do a dry run and it didn't work so well either. so definitely re-try during your period. it sounds silly, but there's a big difference down there.
worldonmystring on June 1st, 2012 11:02 pm (UTC)
I was looking at Meluna soft cups, I'll look up the ladycup too and check out its specs before I make any decisions : )

I did pee right before both times. :( I don't have an issue reaching it. I can get the bottom out just fine. It's just that the brim was so hard I couldn't do anything with it. The mooncup is so thick. I want to die I'm still in so much pain from this.

I think I'm going to order a new cup in time for my period. As for this thing... it's seeing no use then. I can't imagine going through this WHILE also being on my period. no way in hell! :x

Edited at 2012-06-01 11:02 pm (UTC)
juliiie87juliiie87 on June 6th, 2012 09:18 pm (UTC)
Ladycup is rather soft, but it's also very slippery, and their capacity is fairly low compared to similar cups. For super soft cups, I'd look into Meluna soft, Cuplee (mine <3), Naturcup, Fleurcup, Miacup and small Lunette at most. Use the sizecharts to determine what length you need (depending on your cervix height) and choose the width depending on how much capacity you want/need.

Mooncups work fine for some people but they are one of the older brands and honestly, there's been many improvements in the cup world since they first came out. I promise it'll get better no matter what you choose.
teacupcake89 on May 31st, 2012 06:11 pm (UTC)
have you checked how low/high your cervix is during your period? (it often moves lower during your period) and would indicate whether you need a long length cup (like the Diva) or a shorter cup. You might have bruised your cervix which could have caused some bleeding.

to remove: you need to let air into the cup to release the seal either by squeezing the base or by pressing the rim in with one finger or pressing the vaginal wall away from the cup.

What I do (with my Mooncup UK size B, Small Lunette and Large Fleurcup) :

BEAR DOWN (try to give birth to the cup) until I can get a good grip on the stem

pull on the stem until I can reach the base and squeeze for 5-20 secs

then either press the rim in or wiggle the cup from side to side with the stem to break the seal and bring it down.

when it it very close to the opening make a 'C' or 'hotdog in a bun' with your finger as the hotdog to slowly pull it out at a diagonal so it is less painful.

try to remove one corner first at the side so not to irritate the urethra and then the rest,
keep a hand behind the cup as it come out so it doesn't 'pop' out and tip up.

also, I will add that my first dry run was a complete disaster!! wait until your period has started, things are very different when on your actual period (cervic height and moisture levels)

Don't be discouraged! My Mooncup UK was too stiff more me so I bought a small lunette and a large fleurcup, being soft cups made alll the difference with insertion and removal (which with the Mooncup UK was very painful) However, now I have conquered the learning curve I can use my mooncup in emergencies but prefer the softness and squishiness of the Lunette and Fleurcup.

It used to take me 20-30 minutes to remove my cup and now it takes less than a minute! Over a couple of cycles it will get easier I promise!
Laitaine: disney - jasmine - fadedlauralaitaine on June 1st, 2012 06:02 am (UTC)
I didn't have the bleeding that you had, but it did take me a long time to figure out how to insert and remove my cup. I think I was bit too forceful and too tense because my vag hurt after (because I'd been pushing and shoving the damn thing in and my vag really didn't want me to do that, and the more I shoved, the tenser I got... vicious circle).

I also had a bit of panic attack when I first tried to remove my cup because I couldn't remove it. I finally got it out but I felt really light-headed and kinda nauseous afterwards. The whole experience put a lot of stress of my poor vag and it hurt after (though not as much as you describe I think).

My second attempt went much better, and the third better still.... and now I've been using my cup for three and a half years. I tried the c-fold one time only and it was horrid - that's still a lot of cup to insert right at the start. I use the punchdown because it makes the end sort of pointy, so there's much less cup to start with - the width widens gradually and then it unfurls inside you where there is space. Everyone has different preferences, of course - I think some people have posted here with pictures and full descriptions of insertion methods, have a look and see which might work for you. After the first time, I played around with my cup trying different folds before it went near my vag again.

Also LUBE. When I'm on my period, the menstrual blood provides plenty of natural lubrication and I don't need any extra, but when I insert it dry in anticipation of my period, I usually use a little lube to ease the way. It makes a huge difference. Another thing you might try is masturbating a little before you try to insert your cup - that will also provide you with some natural lube and make your vag more relaxed and open.

For removal, I never had much luck with the whole squeezing to break the seal thing. I put one finger up alongside the cup to break the seal, and then I push the rim in a little (kind of like I do when I insert, though not as much) so that the width of the cup is a bit smaller. Pulling it straight out is painful for me, but easing it out while pressing against the rim is fine. Maybe it's a little more messy, but not drastically so, and (most importantly for me) it works.

Best of luck!