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28 May 2012 @ 09:29 pm
So I just inserted the Diva Cup for the first time.

Anyhow, I read the directions over and over again. Felt like I had the idea and process down. Execution is always harder.

Before I go further, let me clarify that I do Keigel exercises A LOT. It is the only exercise I do faithfully. (Long story.)

Apparently, my coochie muscles rock.  Mad Skillz.   

My vagina pretty much sucked the cup UP, UP, UP....and OUT OF REACH.

I can touch the stim if I insert one finger. I have no idea if it opened correctly because I wasn't able to turn it the way the directions recommend.

I cannot feel the cup when I perform a Keigel so I think it may be in there correctly...but the directions say that if it is hard to reach and remove, chances are you didn't insert correctly.

I haven't had leaking yet so that is a good sign....

33 years old.  3 kids via c-section.
 
htebazile10htebazile10 on May 29th, 2012 04:54 am (UTC)
Some say to make sure the cup sits low and just inside the vagina, others say to make sure your cervix is in the cup. It really depends on your body, and it sounds like your cup sits around your cervix. This is how I where my Divacup and it works fine. Next time you insert it I would advice to make sure it's open before you let go. I usually insert it, and twist it which helps it pop open, so I never really let go, and then push it up. It sounds like there shouldn't be a problem though, if your worried it might not be open, bear down until you can reach it and pull it down so you can feel if it's open or not. If it's not open what works really great for me is to slide my finger up to the rim(obviously you might need to pull it down to reaching distance) and push against the wall of my vagina to let air in, then push it back up, or leave it.
Good luck.:)
Hollyrememberjuly on May 29th, 2012 12:45 pm (UTC)
It leaked a little while after I typed the first post so it wasn't perfectly inserted. The leaking was ALOT less though than a regular period so while the goal is to get it perfect without leaks, I'm still really happy that I'm not having my usual gushing and worrying about a pad soaking through within a minute. (I try to stay away from tampons as much as possible.)

Removing it wasn't a problem. I did a Keigel, felt it, and wiggled it out. I felt and heard a sunction so I think it must have been opened right? Otherwise there wouldn't have been a suction? It had a good amount of blood so I was happy. :) I'm about to take a shower and then will try again. Practice makes perfect and I'm very motivated! I'm want to be done with pads and tampons ASAP.

Edited at 2012-05-29 12:45 pm (UTC)
htebazile10htebazile10 on May 29th, 2012 07:42 pm (UTC)
I think leakage is something that a lot of times just kind of stops on it's one: after a while of getting used to using a cup and figuring out where it sits in your vagina without leakage and getting it to pop open. The leakage you were having could have been residual slob as some people call it; the blood on your vaginal walls that is lower than the cup. How much was the leakage? The only thing I can advice you to do is to make sure it pops open before letting the cup go. If it doesn't pop open and you just leave it it will usually pop open on its own after awhile, but it might leak a little before it DOES actually pop open.
chamekke: cha_maneki_nekochamekke on May 29th, 2012 06:27 am (UTC)
I cannot feel the cup when I perform a Keigel so I think it may be in there correctly...but the directions say that if it is hard to reach and remove, chances are you didn't insert correctly.

I wouldn't assume that the cup is inserted incorrectly. As you say: no leak is a good sign :-) Sounds like you have a long vagina/high cervix, that's all. The DivaCup is one of the longer cups so from what you've described, it was a very good choice. And of course when it's time to remove the cup, bearing down (and relaxing) will help bring the stem within reach for you.

I have no idea if it opened correctly because I wasn't able to turn it the way the directions recommend.

It's not actually essential to turn the cup around. That's just one way to help open a cup that has not entirely opened on its own. Another is to sweep your finger around the edge of the cup (well, as far as you can reach) and, as htebazile10 mentioned, if it seems to be compressed or unopened, to push against the back wall of your vagina to allow air in to finish the process for you. But of course, if the cup's already opened properly, you don't really have to do either of these things. (The finger-sweep just helps as a diagnostic.)

Basically, your cup will go where it wants to, and it sounds like it's found its happy place :-) FWIW, every cup I've ever worn has migrated north and embraced the cervix. Many people find their cup likes it up there!
Hollyrememberjuly on May 29th, 2012 12:58 pm (UTC)
I'm copying and pasting each individual reply with added info if needed:

It leaked a little while after I typed the first post so it wasn't perfectly inserted. The leaking was ALOT less though than a regular period so while the goal is to get it perfect without leaks, I'm still really happy that I'm not having my usual gushing and worrying about a pad soaking through within a minute. (I try to stay away from tampons as much as possible.)

Removing it wasn't a problem. I did a Keigel, felt it, and wiggled it out. I felt and heard a sunction so I think it must have been opened right? Otherwise there wouldn't have been a suction? It had a good amount of blood so I was happy. :) I'm about to take a shower and then will try again. Practice makes perfect and I'm very motivated! I'm want to be done with pads and tampons ASAP.

As to the long vagina/high cervix question, I was thinking about that last night. My husband rarely bumps my cervix during sex, only in certain positions allowing for deep penetration. He is average length with above average width. I have also been told I have an inverted uterus, which resulted in my first c-section. Would any of that information support that theory or I'm sounding silly and uninformed? :)
chamekkechamekke on May 29th, 2012 02:27 pm (UTC)
A little leaking is not at all unusual, especially when you're first getting used to your cup. At the beginning it can be hard to tell whether it's a leak due to the cup not completely opening, or "residual slobber", or an overly full cup. Practice will help! And you do sound wonderfully motivated, which will help even more.

I'm really, really glad to hear that removal was smooth for you. That's great :-) The suction you experienced suggests to me that the cup was at least mostly open, perhaps even all the way, although it's hard to know for sure.

And yes, from what you said it does sound like you have a long vagina/high cervix ("during your period" -- the position of the cervix can change during your cycle). The easiest way to tell, though, is to insert a finger during your period and use it to measure the depth of your cervix from the entrance of your vagina. That'll be most conclusive.

P.S. I know almost nothing about inverted uteruses, but what I could find on the Web suggests that it has relatively little effect on the position of the cervix inside the vagina. And the cervix's location is different for every individual anyhow; the most you can say in general terms is that it tends to be at the far end of the vagina ;-)
Serpent: neutralserpent_849 on May 29th, 2012 11:10 am (UTC)
Cups can't read the instructions and they sit wherever they want :)
WTF is that about difficult removal??? The only possible situation when it's so is if you insert your cup PAST your cervix, towards the very end of the vagina (the cervix is not the end). But it would have to remain completely folded and you'd probably feel it. there's not a lot of space there. Is it in the diva instructions? shaking my head so much...

as for kegels, btw... they're needed for being in a good shape down there, for actual use of the cup. but for insertion and especially removal you mostly need to RELAX those muscles. yes, also during insertion.

oh and a lot of people aren't able to spin their cups. it isn't necessary, and in fact it's no guarantee that everything is alright. i think diva is also the only manufacturer that even mentions spinning it. so don't worry :-)
Hollyrememberjuly on May 29th, 2012 01:10 pm (UTC)
Yes, it is in the instuctions in the "insertion" and "removal" section. For insertion, they say not to push the cup too far or it will be hard to remove later. For removal, they talk about not freaking out and such if you can't find the stim. Don't call the doctor unless it has been more than 12 hours and you can't find the stim.

It leaked throughout the night but not that much. I didn't have issues removing it. One Kegel brought it low enough and I got it. I felt and heard a sunction so I think it must have been opened right? Otherwise there wouldn't have been a suction? It had a good amount of blood so I was happy. :) I'm about to take a shower and then will try again. Practice makes perfect and I'm very motivated! I'm want to be done with pads and tampons ASAP.

When I reinsert, I'm going to try a different fold and maybe not angle it so far to my spine. The first time, I wanted to make sure it wasn't straight up and down so I think I went too far back with it....if that makes sense.

Serpent: neutralserpent_849 on May 29th, 2012 02:28 pm (UTC)
well, that wording is better. the point is not that if it's difficult to reach, you're doing it wrong, but more that you shouldn't insert your cup too deep, at least when you're just learning to use it. if the right place for it is high in your vag, it'll get there on its own.
juliiie87juliiie87 on May 29th, 2012 09:03 pm (UTC)
Yes ! I agree. RELAX relax relax. Imo, the most essential skill to cup use is definitely bearing down. Keeping super tight muscles (while inserting, I mean) will only make it more difficult for the cup to unfold and expand. The same goes for removal, as you need to push the cup down and make room for your fingers.
Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on May 29th, 2012 01:16 pm (UTC)
Good thing you got a Diva. It's the longest of the cups. And apparently you have a loooong vag. :o)

IGNORE the instructions and especially the illustrations that came with it. As others have said, your cup will ride where ever it darn well pleases and that is usually (O) around your cervix, however high that may be. Since yours is apparently way up there, it's perfectly normal for yours to have ridden up so high. But it will make removal a little tricky with lots of bearing down to push it down within reach.

For insertion, want to try my method?
Open it lower. Insert the cup so the rim is just beyond your pubic bone and let it open fully there. If you shove it deep and then try to open it, you won't be able to tell if it opened. Sometimes creating an air channel with your finger on the soft back side of your vag helps fill it with air. Once it's fully open, then give it a boost as you Kegel it up and into place. You don't have to give it a spin because you already know it's open but if you want to, go on ahead. Don't worry if you can't. (I never could.)

The anti-suction holes around the rim of the Diva happen to be tiny. Some have had better luck with insertion and removal after (carefully) enlarging them.

You've got it. :o) You'll probably have some leaks during your learning curve. Wear liners until you figure it out and learn to trust it. I was never fully able to eliminate "residual slobber" but a liner or two a day is a small price to pay for all of the other benefits of the cup.
Tessgryphonwing on May 30th, 2012 06:11 am (UTC)
This is my method too, although a lot of the time I go with the "cram the thing in there and let it sort itself out" method instead, mostly when I'm lazy or in a hurry and it's a light flow day. :D

Anyway, I really do like letting it open low and using internal muscles to encourage it into place. It tends to migrate way up anyway. :)