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16 May 2012 @ 07:11 pm
Please note - original message I wrote Yuuki and realized that I mean XL Meluna.  Thx!

Hi -

I'm NikkiG.  I have been searching this site for hours trying to find "the right link" to answer my question.  Clearly I've had no luck.

Keeping in mind that I'm already frustrated - could someone (with a very heavy flow) please, very kindly, tell me how-why-if I need to alter the holes on my Meluna?

My problems:

1) I cannot get it to open.  I have tried many folds - and it simply isn't happening.  Usually the cup remains crumpled or folded on the inside.  My DCs, Lunettes, and FemmeCups do not have this problem.

2) I have a very heavy flow and simply cannot find my cervix.  I have tried (with the aid of my husband) - for months to find it.  My GYN check up isn't for 6 more months.  More often than not - I have some leakage issues for the first 3 days of my cycle.  Toward the end - no leak problems at all.

3) I do have large clots - the holes get clogged - I clear them after every "check" which happens every 1.5 - 2 hours.  If I don't check this frequently, I often find myself in "soaked though" land.  I use cloth pads as a backup - those are the items that I find soaked.  Rarely is the cup full - I know that liquid near/above the holes causes leaks.

4) I thought the lip of the Yuuki could help stop me from leaking over when a clot is released - where the Diva Cup and Lunette have failed.

If I have missed information that would be helpful - please link me.  I genuinely believe that my inability to use the cup efficiently is related to some major error on my part.

If I can provide more info, please don't hesitate to ask.  I always use pads (cloth) as a back up.  I just want to find a way for my cup to work better.
Current Mood: aggravatedaggravated
hairballsplathairballsplat on May 17th, 2012 12:35 am (UTC)
the first thing that came to my mind is: have you tried sliding a finger up alongside the cup and pushing your vaginal wall (usually in back) out so that air can fill the cup thereby causing it to open all the way?

second thing: i have very heavy flow and sometimes have to empty my large cup every hour (lg Fleur)...I use cloth pads for backup for medium and heavy days.

third thing: my cup isn't always 'full', sometimes it's below the holes, but i'm guessing movement and or the holes or i don't know what...causes overflow.
Xaliam2xaliam2 on May 17th, 2012 01:09 am (UTC)
For the record - your Username just made me smile.

SO - I have tried the finger sliding/air inlet method. It hasn't worked yet - but perhaps I need to do this next to one of the two airholes...?

Thank you for letting me know how often you empty your cup. It helps a LOT to know that I'm not the only one struggling with heavy periods. Now I know that it's practical to *expect* that cloth pads will be my backup -- instead of hoping that cloth pads will be my back up.
juliiie87juliiie87 on May 17th, 2012 01:47 am (UTC)
Usually I run my cup under cold water for some time, place one hole at the center of the fold , and face the folded part towards my rectum. Also I push away the vaginal wall and bear down at the same time. Different folds work for different cups though, and while for my cup it's all about tight folds, some people have much better luck with partially folding their cup, letting some air already be inside the cup (which makes more sense for a Meluna soft). Letting go early sounds like a good plan anyway.

And most importantly... stay relaxed and use whatever you are most comfortable with.
juliiie87juliiie87 on May 17th, 2012 12:38 am (UTC)
Just a few hints, as I don't have an XL Meluna, but my cup is in the same range of super soft. I also have no experience with super heavy flow.

Have you seen this post ? The cold water trick is a must !

The softer the cup, the less likely it will open instantly on its own. The reason is, softer cups are usually less able to push away your vaginal walls, so you need to make that easier for them. Basically you want to allow air to reach the top of the cup so it can fill like a balloon and expand. You also need to make sure your vaginal walls don't crush the cup in the process. One way you can do that is by inserting a finger on the soft back wall of your vagina, next to the cup, and create an air channel.

For me, the easiest way to do all that is to insert lying on my back. I find it makes everything so much looser. Sitting on the toilet also works well for many people. Bearing down a little helps to keep your vag open. Finally, try and experiment with the tiniest, most complicated folds (half diamond, labia, origami). I find the more intricate and tight the fold, the more my cup can't wait to spring open. Another way is to use folds you can sort of unfold manually, such as the triangle fold.
Xaliam2xaliam2 on May 17th, 2012 01:02 am (UTC)
Thank you - I haven't tried cold water yet or lying on my back. Trying to stay calm!
Xaliam2xaliam2 on May 17th, 2012 01:18 am (UTC)
Update -

Post comments from 'Hairballsplat' and 'Juliiie87' -- I decided to use my Lunette tonight. While inserting the Lunette and pondering airflow, etc, I attempted to Kegel my Lunette into place.

Not sure if it's worked yet or not. But perhaps (after I figure out how to open the Meluna) that will help.

How many Kegels are usually required for a beginner to 'move their cup into place'?

On the downside - my guy suggested that I consider the MeLuna XL may be to large for me.... How do I know (for sure) if the cup is too big? It will fit into my body - it's just not opening.
juliiie87juliiie87 on May 17th, 2012 01:36 am (UTC)
Give it a rest for now, and maybe give it another try when you're ready, using the various tricks ? I don't really think there's such a thing as too wide a cup (within reason of course). Now, too soft to stand against your walls, that's possible. Cold water may help with that initially. Typicallyy, if a cup is too soft for you, your muscles will crush it with effort, sneezing and such.

In my experience, as long as you make sure the cup opens, it will move up on its own, and as high as it pleases. You don't really need to worry about anything else than getting the cup rounded, unfolded.
Xaliam2xaliam2 on May 17th, 2012 01:46 am (UTC)
:-D Big cheery smiles from me!
Arrow_Brightarrow_bright on May 17th, 2012 01:49 am (UTC)
How many Kegels are usually required for a beginner to 'move their cup into place'?
I think it's just as many as are needed, depending on how it has to travel.

On the downside - my guy suggested that I consider the MeLuna XL may be to large for me.... How do I know (for sure) if the cup is too big? It will fit into my body - it's just not opening.
In the cup world, "too big" generally means too long, although it can mean too wide. If a cup is too long, you won't be able to get it all the way in comfortably/without leaks. If it's too wide, it might be less comfortable, although you'll still be able to use it. Width generally isn't as much of an issue because of how stretchy the vaginal wall is. Usually the problem is a cup being too narrow and the vaginal wall weakening with age, which can cause leaks.

The Diva is longer than the MeLuna XL, IIRC. If you're able to use the Diva, it's probably not the length that's the issue. Although, are all your cups long cups? Have you tried shorter ones? (I can't remember how long the Femmecup is...)
kayaker12 on May 17th, 2012 12:04 pm (UTC)
Melunas can be sealed and functioning, but not inflated to a full bell shape. Check out this comment by juliiie87: http://menstrual-cups.livejournal.com/2857900.html?thread=32501164#t32501164

As a cup neophyte myself, I would suggest following all the tips here, and then, if it still feels like a taco inside you, leave it for a little while and see if it's working. My major mistake was to keep yanking the thing out in frustration, not realizing that the fact that it was hard to get out meant that it had formed a seal and was actually working fine.

For what it's worth, I find the folds that bend the rim externally, such as the origami, work better for me than those that fold internally, such as the punch down, because I can push the rim up into place with my finger if it doesn't pop up on its own (which it doesn't, my vagina is apparently some kind of vacuum chamber!)

PS I have a large Meluna klassik

Edited at 2012-05-17 12:05 pm (UTC)
m03m on May 17th, 2012 05:55 pm (UTC)
Good advice.
Some of us not only leave the cup in place for a while, but even do a little wiggle, dance or some knee bends to help the cup to open and find its 'sweet spot'.