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02 May 2012 @ 08:30 pm
I've checked the FAQ and archives, and found plenty of tips on breaking the seal when removing. I still have problems. Now, my problem is that I have (I think) very strong pelvic floor muscles. I do Pilates, and reflexively tighten and release my PC muscles when I'm having sex or masturbating, so they get a lot of exercise. I tried the DivaCup first, but it was too large and uncomfortable. I am now using the small Lunette, which feels great in...

...but is also a nightmare to get out. I have only inserted and removed it twice, but both times I was unable to break the seal before pulling it out despite trying and trying. It was so hard to remove because I had to pull and pull and pull and bear down, and obviously I'm a little worried about the suction on my vaginal walls and cervix. LOL. I hear an audible POP of suction when I finally pull it out.

I can't get my finger up there to break the seal. I push it up as far as it will go without too much pain and push inward, but I just feel a strong pain inside. I've pushed REALLY hard but can't find the rim of the cup. Either my finger isn't long enough, or it's too difficult to fit (it gets blocked by my pelvic bone). I can't get more than one finger far enough up there no matter how hard I try. I should also mention that my husband's penis is of average girth and it still hurts a little every time we have sex. An ex had a thicker penis and it hurt quite a lot each time, just at the beginning.

How can I break the seal? Does anyone have any pointers? I really want to use the Lunette. I love it.
 
Amandastereosymbiosis on May 3rd, 2012 12:35 am (UTC)
can you bear down as much as you can, so it's as low as it will come out by itself, and then insert your finger to try and break the seal?
heraut on May 3rd, 2012 12:42 am (UTC)
The seal is really strong. I bore down as hard as I could for ages, but it kept going back up and I couldn't reach it. The ONLY thing that worked was bearing down, getting hold of the tab, and pulling as hard as I could while bearing down, which was obviously painful. :(

I inserted it so that part of the stem was sticking out, but it got sucked up there somehow so the end of the stem (uncut) was inside my vagina :(
leighah on May 3rd, 2012 02:32 am (UTC)
Instead of pulling on the tab while bearing down, can you kind of scrunch up the bottom of the cup? If I bear down, I can get three of my fingers on one side of the base of the cup, and then my thumb, on the other side of the cup, presses into those fingers to start folding the cup into a c fold. It doesn't fold the cup all the way, but it loosens the rim's seal plenty enough to finish pulling the cup out. Hopefully the way I described it will make sense to you. Basically, bear down, then use your fingers to start folding the bottom portion of the cup. I don't have a low cervix, and I still don't have to be able to reach my fingers very far in when I do this.
heraut on May 4th, 2012 04:57 pm (UTC)
Thanks! I've tried that--my problem is that I can't get my fingers in. I don't know why!! I can get some fingers in at a weird angle, but I need my thumb. Ahhhghh. I will definitely try folding it down, though.
leighah on May 4th, 2012 05:46 pm (UTC)
Well, the way I do it, when I bare down, I end up only having to put pretty much the tips of my fingers and thumb up there, cause I'm only pinching the base of the cup at first, until I ease it out. And I find that the part of my vagina that the base of the cup is in at that point is stretchier than further up. Maybe you're different, though. :) Anyway, I hope that you find something that works for you!
m03m on May 3rd, 2012 08:23 am (UTC)
Yes, cups will sit where they want to. You can insert it high or low, but if that's not where it wants to sit, it won't stay there.

Most users wear all of the cup, including the stem, inside the vagina. That's nothing out of the ordinary. It's not supposed to stick out for most of us.
wiesoauchimmer on May 4th, 2012 04:50 pm (UTC)
have you tried squatting on the floor while bearing down? it might just bring your cervix down a little lower and help you reach enough of the cup to squeeze it a bit and break the suction.
Darling Nikkijessiebanana on May 3rd, 2012 03:46 am (UTC)
Is your flow relatively light? If so you can pretty much fold that sucker in half and remove it that way. I don't tug on my cup at all.
Rose Woodrozillla on May 3rd, 2012 04:48 am (UTC)
I think it's something you just have to work with. I was having the same issue when I first started using my DivaCup, but after awhile you sort of get a little finesse, lol. Also, have you tried wiggling it free? I sometimes need to tug the bottom in a circular motion, or as another user noted, if there isn't much of a flow, folding it becomes really easy. I also pull up and out with mine so it's easier to rid the lady-waste, and it reduces the popping feeling quite a bit.
leighah on May 3rd, 2012 01:12 pm (UTC)
I would add that, even if it's not a light flow, folding it is easy. Actually, having the cup be relatively full makes it even easier to fold because a full cup seems to break its seal easier. There is sometimes some overflow when you fold a full cup, but if you're emptying it on the toilet, it probably won't be something that makes it harder to fold. Just a little messier.
juliiie87juliiie87 on May 3rd, 2012 01:47 pm (UTC)
I just wanted to add that you don't necessarily need to use several fingers to break the seal : try inserting only one alongside the cup then push in against the body of the cup (visualize a hot-dog in a bun). Basically, you need to create a channel for air to reach the top of the cup. True experience : it's like removing tight plastic gloves by pulling at the tip of the fingers : it'll only create more suction. Try allowing air in by the palm of your hands, they'll come right off !

Edited at 2012-05-03 03:35 pm (UTC)
heraut on May 4th, 2012 04:58 pm (UTC)
Thanks! I've tried to do that--the problem is that I cannot feel the seal breaking. I actually even pushed the handle of a small thin makeup brush in alongside it to break the seal, and it was still impossible to pull out until the very end. I don't understand. Are my muscles holding it in??? I have to pull and bear down SO HARD.
juliiie87juliiie87 on May 5th, 2012 05:25 pm (UTC)
Mmh could you go all the way up until the rim or at least the ridge of the cup ? Some people can even refold in a partial punch down, see if you can pull hat off. Reaching to the ridge from the lower backside (under the cup) always works for me, but I have to say my cup is VERY soft, so that's maybe why it's so easy. Your muscles shouldn't be holding it if youmake sure you are pushing rather than holding, I think.