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I've been using a Divacup since November.  I ordered it on a whim when tampons I had flushed ended up clogging the sewer line, which resulted in a not too happy landlord.  Point being, I didn't really research brands/sizes/etc of cups before ordering the Diva (it was about the only one I had really heard of in the US).  I am 25, sexually active, no kids, and have the smaller size. 

I don't have any trouble inserting it or anything, but I find that it often leaks when I'm sitting down or at night.  I'll take it out only to find that there's hardly anything in it (maybe 1/3 full).  I can feel that my cervix is centered over the cup, so I know that isn't my problem.  I wonder if my cervix is just taking up too much room in the cup?  Or is the cup too soft and getting a little bent when I'm sitting (driving, etc), or sleeping?  (My mom has said she was told she has a tilted uterus, so I suppose I may too, but I have no idea if so and if that would have any effect).

I'm kind of shopping around for a new cup now, but I'm not quite sure what to look for.  I have a somewhat heavy flow, so I was kind of thinking a large Lunette or large Meluna (I admit to being a sucker for the colors)... But I don't know if my problem is that I need a bigger cup, a stiffer cup, a shorter cup, etc.  I've browsed around looking for similar posts and find that the common causes are ones I've already kind of ruled out (cervix out of the cup, cup not opening, etc).  Sooo, anyone have any thoughts or suggestions as to why I'm having the leaking issue?  Or opinions on what cup might work better for me?
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Serpent: neutralserpent_849 on April 9th, 2012 07:14 pm (UTC)
flip your cup inside out to find out whether a short cup will work better.

can you feel that your cervix is in the cup? i can fill a cup only by 1/3 but i can totally feel my cervix in the middle of the cup when removing.
my overflow always starts by wiping red and if i don't reinsert it soon leaks like the cup wasn't there. is that similar to your experience?
if you have a heavy flow, a "large" size is totally okay to use even if your kegel muscles are in a good shape.
rbca03rbca03 on April 9th, 2012 08:02 pm (UTC)
I'll flip it inside out next empty and give that a go.

When I put a finger in to feel that the cup is all the way open, I can feel my cervix inside the cup (when I push on the outside rim of the cup). It's hard to get a good sense of how much of the cup it's taking up though. I tend to "bear down" in order to remove the cup, so I also can't really feel where my cervix is at that point.

And yup, overflow starts by wiping red (unless the overflow has already made it into my underwear).
Serpent: neutralserpent_849 on April 9th, 2012 08:12 pm (UTC)
but does it then leak like the cup wasn't there? have you ever tried getting a pad and not removing the cup?
rbca03rbca03 on April 9th, 2012 08:16 pm (UTC)
I guess I haven't really, I've always just tried to correct it once it started leaking. I'm inclined to say it's only a partial leak, and not as bad as if it weren't there at all.
Serpent: neutralserpent_849 on April 9th, 2012 09:28 pm (UTC)
then perhaps it's just too narrow? especially leaks when lying down are a common "symptom" :)
rbca03rbca03 on April 9th, 2012 11:27 pm (UTC)
I was kind of suspicious of that too. Anyone have any experience with kegels being effective? I've kind of always meant to start doing kegels, I just never really had a strong reason to. I guess they're worth at least trying though?
Serpent: neutralserpent_849 on April 10th, 2012 01:08 am (UTC)
I have two grandmas. One is 68 and has had incontinence for several years. The other one is 75 and has no problems thanks to kegels.

Cup-wise... worth a try, but don't hold your breath:)
rbca03rbca03 on April 10th, 2012 01:16 am (UTC)
Well I've just discovered I think at least part of my problem is the Divacup is too long for me. My cervix feels to only be 2-3 inches inside my vagina, so I'm betting that a lot of it is sitting right in the cup. Sounds plausible? I'm pretty short (less than 5'2") and have a petite build otherwise.

I also tried turning the cup inside out, but I had trouble inserting it without the bottom of it caving in to turn right side out again.

Oh, and I did mean cup-wise for kegels. But doing them anyway for preventive measures isn't a bad idea, now that you mention it. :)

Edited at 2012-04-10 01:19 am (UTC)
Darling Nikkijessiebanana on April 10th, 2012 03:25 am (UTC)
If you have to bear down to remove it than it doesn't sound like it's too long? If you get a shorter cup it will still probably sit around your cervix and have less space. I think a wider sounds like a better idea or the kegels.
rbca03rbca03 on April 10th, 2012 03:31 am (UTC)
I bear down to bring the bottom of the cup right down to my vaginal entrance, so I can just easily grab the bottom of it (no stem) and pinch it to take it out.

I'm gonna start doing some kegels each day and see if I notice any difference, but like serpent said above, I'm not sure they'll have much effect on the way the cup fits/leaks? I'm optimistic nonetheless. :p
Darling Nikkijessiebanana on April 10th, 2012 03:54 am (UTC)
You should be! The solution sounds simple. That fit seems fairly normal to me. I can reach in and grab my cups as well.
Serpent: neutralserpent_849 on April 10th, 2012 09:25 am (UTC)
there's no correlation with a petite build really:)
it seems like the best option for you would be a large fleurcup. it's shorter, wider and has a more rounded shape http://i66.servimg.com/u/f66/14/96/65/91/pictu243.jpg so that even if your cervix occupies a lot of space, you'll have quite a bit of capacity left:)
another possibility is an XL meluna, but it has practically the same length as the diva. http://i46.servimg.com/u/f46/14/96/65/91/pictu111.jpg
perhaps it even makes sense to try both. for example, folks with a really heavy flow might need to try several of the highest capacity cups to find out which one lasts longest. dangly cervix+heavy flow is also a difficult combination:S
(would you describe your cervix as a small penis? :D i know mine totally is. that's considered dangly. that's a separate category from high/low).
rbca03rbca03 on April 10th, 2012 05:20 pm (UTC)
Actually yes, I would say it's kind of dangly & small penis-like, ha. I think you're right that a shorter & more rounded cup might work better. I think the Diva kind of wastes potential capacity by it being more cone shaped.

I just browsed around a bit and was only able to easily find the Fleurcup on their actual website. (Not that I'm opposed to buying from them, but I thought it might be easier from another site). I emailed femininewear.co.uk to ask if they had any plans of carrying it. (I read a post from a year or two ago on year in which she said she bought her Fleurcup from there, so I wonder).

Thanks for all of the suggestions & thoughts, ladies! :D
Serpent: neutralserpent_849 on April 10th, 2012 07:45 pm (UTC)
nope, they've decided not to sell them outside the official site :S
btw the meluna company normally sends a free sample if you order directly from them:) so although these are available at femininewear, i recommend ordering from the official site.
rbca03rbca03 on April 12th, 2012 03:11 am (UTC)
Hmm ok. I'm still going back and forth between the Meluna and Fleurcup. I'm kind of leaning toward Fleurcup, but the free sample from Meluna sounds pretty tempting too, lol. I'm just finishing up my period, so I guess I have a couple of weeks to decide. :p
Serpent: neutralserpent_849 on April 12th, 2012 09:09 am (UTC)
basically you need to decide whether a differently shaped "large" diva would work for you or not.
the fleurcup has a wonderful large+small offer :D
as you're from the USA your new cup might not arrive fast, so better choose one and order asap :)
rbca03rbca03 on April 19th, 2012 01:37 am (UTC)
Well, I went a little overboard and bought both a Meluna and a Fleurcup (both size large). I got the Meluna already (no free sample with it :( unfortunately), and I'm hoping to have the Fleurcup by my next period (2+ weeks away, so I'm optimistic) so I can give them both a try and maybe sell or give away one.

Thanks for all the input! :)
Serpent: neutralserpent_849 on April 19th, 2012 09:23 am (UTC)
aw pity, did you order your meluna from the official site?
hmmm the large... it doesn't really make sense to recommend a brand tbh, the specific size recs are...specific lol. XL isn't huge, it's just larger than the large meluna. pity if the name was intimidating or something, it's just a name. i hope one of those you picked will work for you, but if not, try an XL meluna too:)
rbca03rbca03 on April 19th, 2012 03:00 pm (UTC)
Yup, I ordered from the official site. (Very fast shipping!) I held the Meluna up to my Divacup, and the rim is definitely a little bigger, and the cup a little shorter. I think I should have a better time with it.

And as I've been thinking about it, my Diva didn't always leak at night. I had several periods where it basically didn't leak at all. The first period I used it for was very heavy, and even emptying it ever few hours, it was often full but not yet leaking. I wonder if my cervix was just unusually low for some reason. I also cut the stem off after a few months, so I wonder if that's somehow making a difference too. Ah well, I have a new one to try anyway. :)
Serpent: neutralserpent_849 on April 19th, 2012 03:12 pm (UTC)
the stem can certainly make a difference, yes. which style meluna did you get? i love the meluna stems!!!
rbca03rbca03 on April 19th, 2012 03:15 pm (UTC)
I got the ball stem. I wasn't really sure which one to get, but figured I might cut it off anyway so perhaps it didn't matter lol. The Meluna material feels different (it's that TPE stuff) and I find it collects lint more than the Diva... oh well I suppose.
Serpent: neutralserpent_849 on April 19th, 2012 05:47 pm (UTC)
you'll like the material of the fleurcup then:)
though compared to my ladycup, i can say the meluna doesn't collect lint at all haha. the beautiful shiny cups (ladycup, yuuki, i assume also old melunas and the misscup) are the worst in this regard.

i love the ball stem, had to cut it off of my new small though:((( i kinda damaged the bottom in the process btw :S
rbca03rbca03 on April 19th, 2012 07:29 pm (UTC)
Like I said, I cut the stem off of my Diva and I can't help but notice that it's been since then that it's leaking more. You'd think it would be the opposite though.

I'm hoping the ball stem works out for me. I'm afraid to cut another stem off, ha.
Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on April 10th, 2012 01:42 am (UTC)
I see you are already trying the Diva inside out. Yes, it's a little harder to insert and remove that way -- but once you get the hang of it, it's perfectly OK to wear it that way if it works better for you.

Don't be in a rush to buy another cup. Get to know what you like (and don't like) about the Diva before deciding on another. Use the various size charts at the Community FAQ to compare other cups to your Diva.

As for Kegel exercises, there are many different kegel tools. Some are hands-on and require interaction -- such as wands or tethered "orgasm balls" or gizmos that look kinda like speculums. My favorite tool is just plain Ben Wa Balls. Start with ones that are about 1" and 3/4oz apiece and then graduate to those that are appx 3/4" and 1oz apiece. The idea is to insert them and keep them in while you walk around, do the dishes, etc. Start with 20 minutes a day and build from there. The longer you keep them in, they harder they'll be to keep them inside. That's what's working your PCs -- hands free, no interaction required. Do this at home. Be sure to remember to remove them (relax, cough and catch) before going out or using the toilet.

But it has recently come to light that kegel exercises are not enough. You will need to add squats (for the butt muscles) and lower abdominal crunches to your exercise routine. They all work together to tone vaginal muscles.
rbca03rbca03 on April 10th, 2012 03:38 am (UTC)
I'm consciously trying to wear the cup a little lower so that maybe my cervix won't take up so much room in it. I'll see how/if it leaks tonight (of course it's day 3 of my period, so it's not as heavy as a night or two ago).

Thanks for your thoughts on kegel exercises/etc. I'm fairly active and muscular already, so it shouldn't be too much of a project to start doing kegels too.

Edited at 2012-04-10 03:41 am (UTC)