Edit** Originally done with Divacup, I have tried this with Lunette and Mooncup UK which I have now purchased. NB: Please follow regular instructions for Lunette (it's actually easier)and scroll down for slight differences in Mooncup method.**



I think I just invented / reinvented a fold that works better for me than anything else I've tried so far, and wanted to see if it's useful for anyone else. I think it pops open easily (for me at least) and has a more uniform profile down its length than some folds. Does it work for you?

The LABIAL FOLD: a double punch-down

General Description / Divacup and Lunette Instructions
Do this with two hands (I had to hold the camera): hold cup in one hand and with the other, pinch a corner of the cup and push down towards about the middle of the opposite side, much like the punch down but with an extra fold.


From the top, you get this disturbingly "labial" shape...


Side view
Squeeze the sides together to hold it all together, like this:


Top view (On a Lunette, only the outer folds would be visible, and the tip can be made more pointy.)





Mooncup Instructions
The basic method is the same, but the folding proportions will be somewhat affected by the Mooncup's thick rim. Sorry about the crappy photos; I had to use my phone because my camera died the night after I took the originals.

1. When punching in, punch all the way to the bottom of the cup:


2. Scrunch the cup so that one of the "labia minora" crosses over the other:

Insert!


Notes:
1)I should add that if you get it just right, it is possible to maintain the fold squeezing near the base (under the bulky part) without popping open prematurely. Then you can use the other hand to squeeze the tip smaller for initial insertion :-) after which the vaginal muscles help to hold the fold together until you let go.
2)Popping open: depending on when and where you let go, the cup may not pop completely open right away. If this happens, flexing the muscles usually does it for me. A sucking inward flex seems more effective than a pushing one. A dull thud indicates that the cup is open. Of course cup twirling works, too! Also, not pushing the cup as far in before letting go of the fold helps too. Let the cup pop open, and then adjust position.
3) For the punching down, I find it easiest to hold the cup sideways in the non-dominant hand, in the space between thumb and forefinger, facing out.

P.S. Props to those who discovered this fold independently (see comments below)!
 
 
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jananaphone on April 22nd, 2007 04:12 am (UTC)
I'm sitting here with my Diva trying to recreate this. Damn, you are creative. I think it's a little too involved for me. But the final product does look good... I just don't think I'd be able to hang on to it in that shape long enough to finagle it up inside my vagina. I'm a punch-down girl. But props to you! That is awesome!
skyladagazskyladagaz on April 22nd, 2007 04:21 am (UTC)
Hm very interesting, makes me wanna go take my divacup out of my drawer and try it!
piano_goddess on April 22nd, 2007 04:23 am (UTC)
Do you have way too much time? LOL that is awesome.
flybane on April 22nd, 2007 05:56 am (UTC)
Wow, thanks so much for the comments!

Way too much time LOL! Sort of - I just finished this paper that wouldn't die a few days ago and feel sort of lost now that I'm not in the library 8 hours a day :-)

The punch-down was the only way to get it in that worked for me, but I found it just a bit too wide at the bottom. By the way I was brought up in a culture where the hymen is still a big deal, and although I am now theoretically over the whole physical "virginity" thing, I still freak out about tearing and stretching when I notice it.

The origami fold was also inspiring, but I couldn't keep a hold of it well enough to actually get it in. It is also a bit wide at the bottom.

I was feeling mad this morning at what my cup has been doing to my hymen (although it's definitely worth it) and was trying to mush my cup into a consistently round, slim profile with a relatively small tip, trying to do a variation on the punch-down, and this was the result. Seriously, how do people get it in with the C fold?!
mexonxpedestal on April 22nd, 2007 06:54 am (UTC)
Ugh, I originally did it with the C fold, which worked fine enough except I had to really be lubed up. I started using the punchdown method which works most of the times but sometimes, especially right after a shower, I'm not lubed down there so it's basically the same problem as the C fold... too big! I'm gonna have to try your... labial fold. ;)
flybane on April 22nd, 2007 07:06 am (UTC)
"Labial Fold"... I love it!
allymcbealish: pic#59750220allymcbealish on April 22nd, 2007 07:13 am (UTC)
I suggest putting this post to memories, could be helpful :)
indira_rose2 on April 22nd, 2007 07:40 am (UTC)
it seems the same as the puch-down fold, only bigger. Or do i see it wrong?
The method is very creative!
flybane on April 22nd, 2007 02:32 pm (UTC)
It's the same principle as the punch-down, but with an extra fold. Feels a little "fatter", but if you get it right it's rounder and more uniform (punch-down, my usual method before this, is smaller at the very tip but has a bit of a bulge near the bottom.)
Sarasarasnee on April 22nd, 2007 08:02 am (UTC)
This seems like it might open easier than the normal punch-down! I'll have to try it. :)
elizabbyelizabby on April 23rd, 2007 12:41 am (UTC)
I'm a punch-down girl, but this looks even better! I'll have to give it a go. I agree with the OP that the punch-down gives a bulge at the bottom, so if this fold fixed that I would be a very happy camper!
nightchild01: Jae-Leenightchild01 on April 22nd, 2007 08:25 am (UTC)
That looks really interesting. I think it looks like it would work better than my bizarre rerndition of the C-fold (it's pretty much the C-fold but I let one side stick out farther). I'm definitely trying it.
flybane on April 22nd, 2007 02:32 pm (UTC)
Oooh! love your profile pic! I have two lories.
nightchild01nightchild01 on April 22nd, 2007 08:01 pm (UTC)
I had to google to find out what a lory bird was. They're pretty. ^^
aarikaluna on April 22nd, 2007 08:46 am (UTC)
I'm definitely trying this tomorrow (too sleepy tonight, God knows where the cup might end up). If this fold works, you will have SAVED MY LIFE. I'm still in that "trying for successful insertion" phase, and although I got close with a regular punchdown there were serious amounts of pain involved as it got wider. This looks like it could work so much better. I bow to your genius.
Dominik: geek insidedominik on April 22nd, 2007 10:38 am (UTC)
That looks a lot like what I do ;)
Elanor Gamgee: I am no Manelanorkat on April 22nd, 2007 10:52 am (UTC)
That is certainly very ingenious, and sort of pretty, like Origami! Would it work as well when the cup is slick with menstrual fluid, btw?

I have to say, I really admire all these different folds...but I've always just folded my Moonie in half and shoved it up, and luckily it works for me!
Kristinbeautifulmithra on April 22nd, 2007 12:13 pm (UTC)
Awesome! I agree, this needs to be in the memories for future reference!
polkadotskirtpolkadotskirt on April 22nd, 2007 12:50 pm (UTC)
Oh that's what I do! I always thought it was just a slightly squished C-fold, but your name is better! we are geniuses! :)
flybane on April 22nd, 2007 02:33 pm (UTC)
I *knew* someone must have done it before!
polkadotskirtpolkadotskirt on April 22nd, 2007 08:54 pm (UTC)
Sorry! I never photoed or named it though, so it's yours :p
flybane on April 22nd, 2007 10:21 pm (UTC)
Again: We are Geniuses! ;-P
flybane on May 8th, 2007 06:21 am (UTC)
Hey, noticed you recommended the fold in another thread :-)

I added a PS to the post to mention the fact that I'm not the first ~
nekobob on April 22nd, 2007 02:44 pm (UTC)
You know... I think that's how I do it. But I'm so used to it, I don't even think about it anymore. Just shove it up there and go, haha.
bookworm_chantybookworm_chanty on April 22nd, 2007 07:11 pm (UTC)
Ooh! I think I'm gonna try it too! Believe it or not, the only fold that works for me is the much-maligned C-fold :D
But this seems like it would work.
Le Danseurle_danseur on April 30th, 2007 02:56 am (UTC)
i tried this fold out this past period, and let me tell you it is by far the easiest i've used! it just pops right open! I recommended it to a friend of mine who was having problems with other folds because she is a virgin, and she says it's working well for her too!

you're my hero for sharing this!
flybane on April 30th, 2007 03:28 am (UTC)
Great, that makes me soooo happy! Especially since my camera died the very next morning. I swear I didn't even touch it after taking those photos! I'm so glad I got that done before it died!
Slateblueslateblue on May 7th, 2007 06:32 pm (UTC)
I'll definitely try this the next time I insert my cup! It looks like it's just the right technique for me. So far, I've used the punch down fold and it worked quite well for me, but your invention really looks even easier and more fun. :-) I hope it won't slide out of my hands (I'm new to menstrual cups and only did dry-runs so far and have been using waterbased lube with my cup).
flybane on May 7th, 2007 09:40 pm (UTC)
Good luck, and let us know how it goes! I'm pretty new to all this myself.
Slateblueslateblue on May 8th, 2007 05:46 am (UTC)
I hate to say it, but I couldn't manage it. :-( When I read your post yesterday, I got my Diva and tried folding it, and it went perfectly. But when I then tried it for real with my Mooncup, I couldn't do it. It was too slippery, and the rim was too thick to be folded the way you supposed. It just wouldn't stay that way until I had positioned it to be inserted.

I'll try it with the Diva, maybe that works better as its rim is less thick. As for the slipperiness, I don't know. I like to put a bit of lube on the rim of the cup because it feels more comfortable that way, but then again, I'm still waiting for my period. Maybe the blood will make things slippery enough.

I'll keep you informed how things are going! :-)
flybane on May 11th, 2007 07:36 pm (UTC)
Folding a Mooncup
I just got my Mooncup UK in the mail (wow, they are really fast with the shipping!) and I think I have figured out how to do the fold on the Mooncup to accomodate the greater softness and fatter rim. However, I'll have to wait till my period to actually test it (dry runs make me feel... nasty) and when I do, I'll let you all know and upload a new photo if it works.

flybane on May 25th, 2007 06:40 am (UTC)
Labial Fold for Mooncup
Hello,

As of today, I successfully tested a modified method of the Labial Fold for Mooncup. Don't know if it will work for you, but feel free to try it if you get a chance!

Brianna Ellen Randall Fraser MacKenzie: [Doctor Who] on the Weakest Linkchale on May 10th, 2007 12:03 am (UTC)
I love this fold. It's the one that is the easiest and works the best for me. It is just the right size to insert and it opens right up and seals.

I'm so happy to have found this fold. :o)
flybane on May 10th, 2007 01:10 am (UTC)
So glad it's working out! Which cup brand did you try it on?
Brianna Ellen Randall Fraser MacKenzie: [Doctor Who] on the Weakest Linkchale on May 10th, 2007 02:22 am (UTC)
I'm glad too! :o) I tried it on the DivaCup.
Evamariashirasade on May 25th, 2007 07:34 am (UTC)
Seeing that I just put in my DivaCup in preparation for my period and had to fight to keep the origami fold closed long enough to insert it, I think I'm going to give your method a try when it's time to change...
Slateblueslateblue on May 26th, 2007 06:19 am (UTC)
Wow, thanks for the update on the labial fold! I'll try that the next time I use my cups. The last time I tried, I didn't really succeed because the cup was so slippery and I couldn't get a hold of it (I ususally use a bit of lube, it just feels a lot nicer). So I'm curious to see how it's going to be with the advanced folding method, whether it stays in place better before I insert it. Thanks!!
Abby Cadabbybadabbajamma on February 14th, 2008 03:50 pm (UTC)
I actually tried the mooncup method with my diva cup. So far this is the only fold I have found success with (I am still very new at this). So thank you!
flybane on February 17th, 2008 07:30 pm (UTC)
Glad it worked, and thanks for the comment!
ReclusiveEnigmareclusiveenigma on February 27th, 2008 04:48 pm (UTC)
I used this with my Mooncup UK and it worked a treat. Thanks, I was struggling with insertion with the other folds, so cheers for posting this.
flybane on February 27th, 2008 05:35 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the comment - glad it worked!
slinkydhoney on March 17th, 2008 12:56 am (UTC)
Thank you!
Oh my god. This is my 1st time trying the Divacup. I tried the C-fold & I was in a world of pain & I tried it 3 separate times in one day. My friend - who's the one who turned me onto DC - said she didn't have any problems & that it was cake for her. The C-fold was way too wide & when it popped open it stretched me out & made me sore. I was so upset & frustrated.

SO - there's a point, I swear - I hop on here to find out if there's another fold I can use & I somehow stumble on yours & the labial fold worked the 2nd time I tried it - no pain (the only reason it didn't work the 1st time was because I couldn't get it to open).

Thank you for the fold & thank god for this community!
flybane on March 17th, 2008 01:47 am (UTC)
Re: Thank you!
Yay! I know what you mean, that C-fold can really hurt. Now I just wish someone could invent some handy device to re-scrunch the cup for removal! I'm also so thankful for this LJ, don't know what I would do without it.
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