paleoista
24 November 2013 @ 10:12 am
Hi all. There is a great wealth of information here, which I could very easily spend days sifting through! I've started going through the FAQs to try and find the answers to my questions, but all I've managed to end up with are more questions!

I'm 34, no kids. I ordered the Diva Cup 1. At the time, I just saw that 1 was for women who hadn't had children, and 2 was for women who had. I guess I was a bit quick to pull the trigger. I got it yesterday, and my period had just started the day before, so I was anxious to try it out. I inserted it following the package directions, and it seemed like it was pretty simple and I couldn't feel it, which I took to be a good sign. But I was spotting like crazy. I did some reading here and gave it another shot. There was some blood in the cup, so it wasn't completely out of line. After reinserting it, I wore a pantyliner for awhile, and had absolutely no spotting, so I figured all was good.

I went to sleep and woke up about 6 hours later feeling like I was about to leak all over if I didn't get to the bathroom ASAP. As it was, I ended up looking slightly like a murder victim by the time I made it the short distance down the hall! The cup had about 1/2 ounce of blood in it, so definitely not full. There was probably about the same amount which had leaked out. I was half asleep and didn't feel like fumbling with the cup again, just to wake up with the same issue in a few hours, so I just put a tampon in.

My first thought was, "Should I have gotten the Diva Cup 2 instead?". The cup feels good when it's in. It feels snug. The stem doesn't stick out, but I can easily find it with a finger stuck in just a little way. I am seeing a lot of posts about how the cervix sits, and how the cup should line up. I thought I knew my body pretty well, but I'm really not sure how to figure out how my cervix is situated, and where the cup is in relation to it. I know what my cervix feels like, but I don't feel that I have all that much control as to where the cup ends up lining up. I really want to love the cup and get away from tampons for good, but I didn't think there would be such a learning curve! I'm going to give it another go again today. Maybe it was just my sleeping position that caused the leakage, but I somehow doubt it, as I've seen lots of mentions of cups leaking when they're not full, but I still haven't been able to piece together why that happens.

Do I just have the wrong cup?

Help!

I'm sorry I haven't had time to read all of the FAQs and sift through all of the archives before posting. I definitely will continue reading through everything when I have more time.
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paleoistapaleoista on November 24th, 2013 05:41 pm (UTC)
I gave it another shot during the day today. I didn't have any spotting after insertion, everything felt good. I went about my day, started cleaning the house, and everything was fine for a couple of hours. Then I could feel it start leaking. I took the cup out and it only had 1/4 oz. in it. I don't get it. Obviously it's in properly, at least initially. I don't know if it's shifting and that's what's causing the leakage. I'm definitely glad I've had the weekend to try it out, it would've been a disaster at work tomorrow.
At this point, I don't think it's placement that's the issue. I think that this cup just might not be the one for me.
Any ideas?
Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on November 24th, 2013 08:53 pm (UTC)
I also had troubles with the Diva and it turned out to be too long for me. If you're proficient at removal, then flip it inside out to shorten it and see if that helps any.

If so, it's perfectly OK to wear it that way if it works for you.
paleoistapaleoista on November 24th, 2013 09:50 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestion. How would I know if it was too long for me? The stem doesn't stick out and doesn't irritate me at all. It almost seems like the rim of the cup might not be wide enough, and maybe that is why I end up getting some leakage(?). However, I've had it in for about 4 hours now, have been moving around quite a bit, and no issues w/leakage, which just confuses me more!
Kai: 2Cupskuradi8 on November 24th, 2013 11:10 pm (UTC)
It's not a case of pros and cons... it's how well a particular cup fits you. I always say to get through the dreaded learning curve with the cup you bought because maybe it's not the cup after all. But if you want to check out other cups, look at the various size charts at the Community FAQ. Once you eliminate the ones that you don't think will fit you, narrow down the ones you like by shape. Narrow bodied or full? Flared rim or not? Pointy base or blunt? Etc.
paleoistapaleoista on November 24th, 2013 10:24 pm (UTC)
I spoke too soon. Started leaking again, after being only 1/4 oz. full. If I knew why, I'd have a better idea of what to look for in a different cup. Guess it's back to the drawing board and time to start researching the pros and cons of the different cups.
justice_02justice_02 on November 25th, 2013 04:24 am (UTC)
You're probably doing all this, but here are some things that work for me. Always aim downward and back when putting in the cup, never straight up. I sometimes let the cup pop open when it's only partially inside of me. I also rotate the cup at least half-way around. I always make sure I have a good seal, otherwise, the cup will leak without fail. To ensure it's sealed I gently squeeze the bottom of the cup or the middle and barely tug on the bottom of the cup to see it's in there securely. I should feel some resistance. Sometimes I push it up a little bit and then pull it back down again. I also do not insert too high. One method suggests pushing down with your vaginal muscles at the same time as you're squeezing the base of the cup. This pushes all the air out of the cup. Mine sits at the opening of my vagina. Of course, my cervix is pretty low as well since I've had two children. After only one child, it would often migrate up higher. My cervix was higher then. The cup will go where it wants on its own depending upon the height of your cervix. Another reason for leakage when the cup is only partially full is a dangly cervix. The cervix will take up space in the cup even though it's not full. A bell-shaped cup like the large Si-bell really helps with this. You mentioned perhaps needing a size two based on your age even though you've never had children. The Diva cup website does say that over 30, even without having had children, needs a size 2. It's highly variable though. Some young teenagers use a size two and some mothers of several children are fine with a size 1. I would say that if you continue having these problems with leakage, even after trying all the tips and suggestions, it is possible that you need a larger cup. I tried my daughter's size 1 Lunette the other day. It leaked like crazy! Definitely too small for me. I've been using cups since 2003 so I would consider myself very experienced. My first cup ever was a size 2 Diva cup. The cups that work best for me are a size 2 Diva cup, a large Si-Bell, a Shecup, and most recently, a Natural Mamma. The Diva cup and Si-bell are the same diameter. 46mm I believe. The Natural Mamma and Shecup are both 44mm in diameter. Feel free to ask me any questions! I've tried just about every cup out there!
paleoistapaleoista on November 25th, 2013 04:00 pm (UTC)
Thanks so much for your response and all of the great info. I've checked that the cup is definitely in there securely. I've felt all around the outsides edges of it w/my finger and it's fully open as well. I also let the cup open up when it's just partially inside me, as that's the only way that I can rotate it. Once it's fully in, it feels pretty well suctioned. I'm making sure to insert horizontally and I do some kegels afterward to help it situate itself.
LOL @ "dangly cervix". I guess that would explain why I start off w/no spotting whatsoever and then suddenly I'm leaking like crazy.
I spent a lot of time yesterday reading up on comparisons and looking at size charts, etc. There was one post that mentioned that the Lady Cup is smooth and therefore less prone to moving around once it's in place. I was looking at the size 2, which is the same diameter as the Diva Cup 2.

Well, I've got until my next cycle to research and make a decision, and I'll be checking out where my cervix is situated in the meantime. I'll check out the other cups you mentioned and will definitely let you know if I have any questions! :)
justice_02justice_02 on November 25th, 2013 04:29 am (UTC)
Here is a chart I really like that shows all the different cups. I find it very user-friendly.

http://menstrualcup.co/brands/compare-menstrual-cup-table.html

paleoistapaleoista on November 25th, 2013 04:01 pm (UTC)
Oh, wow! That is a really great comparison chart, better than any others I've come across! Thanks for the link! :)
elisamba on November 25th, 2013 06:26 am (UTC)
Are the holes clogged?

That can make a cup leak because (as I understand it) instead of the flow going down and the displaced air seeping out the holes, the flow goes down, "hits" the air in the cup which it can't displace, and the forced air opens up a little hole beside the cup.

Enlargening the holes with a little scrapbooking tool might help.
paleoistapaleoista on November 25th, 2013 04:02 pm (UTC)
Nope, the holes are definitely not clogged.
Serpent: neutralserpent_849 on November 25th, 2013 01:15 pm (UTC)
it definitely sounds like your cup is too long. and your cervix sits in it, taking up some space. (i have a low cervix and i can't fill any cup by more than 1/3 or so)

so your best bet is something like the large fleurcup: wide, short (yes, that's considered short), with a rounded base and high capacity (the large lunette has exactly the same width and length, but holds less due to the shape). note that this is just a suggestion. look at other similar cups too.

or maybe it's just the holes indeed. eliminate this factor before getting a new cup.
Serpent: neutralserpent_849 on November 25th, 2013 01:16 pm (UTC)
btw when you reply, click "answer" below the specific comment so that they get a notification. when you want to post a general update for everyone, it's best to click edit at the bottom of your original post and add smth like "edit: ..." to the main text.
paleoistapaleoista on November 25th, 2013 04:10 pm (UTC)
Thanks for this! Obviously this is my first experience using LJ and I appreciate the help. :)
paleoistapaleoista on November 25th, 2013 04:08 pm (UTC)
That my cervix is taking up some space in the cup makes sense as to why I've been experiencing leaking. But I figured that if my cervix was low, wouldn't the long Diva Cup stick out some? It fits in just fine, and I don't feel the ribbed stem rubbing me at all. Then again, maybe it doesn't stick out because part of my cervix IS in the cup, huh? ;)

Thanks for your suggestion of the Flerucup.I'll take a look at that one as well as some others. I do like that it has high capacity. During my heaviest flow, I easily would've filled the cup to 3/4 oz. in about 6 hours if most of it hadn't ended up leaking out (and if the cup actually held that much!).
Serpent: neutralserpent_849 on November 25th, 2013 05:54 pm (UTC)
a cup can be too long without sticking out. my mum normally has a high cervix and uses a large green donna, but at the end of her period she doesn't use her cup because the cervix moves higher. it doesn't stick out but it just doesn't feel right, and if those days weren't so light it would probably leak as well.
and yes, a narrower cup would perhaps stick out.

one important thing to understand is that just because the diva is popular and easy to get, doesn't mean it's an "average" cup for an "average" vagina. for every satisfied diva user, there's probably two who aren't 100% satisfied for various reasons (though many are probably 80% satisfied and just think they gotta deal with it, and some folks assume that cups are not for them). quality concerns aside, there are no good and bad cups, so i'm not saying diva is bad. but it's quite peculiar for a mainstream brand.
Kathlynekathlyne on November 25th, 2013 05:23 pm (UTC)
I had problems with the diva cup at first too. Part of it was the learning curve. One possibility---the cup is opening to the side of your cervix, not around it. I do a finger sweep around the cup to make sure I can't feel the end of my cervix. If I can, then that means the cup isn't going to catch much/anything, so I reposition the cup. Just figuring that part out helped a lot. In the end, the diva cup wasn't my goldilocks cup, but I was able to work with it for a while until I found the right cup.
paleoistapaleoista on November 25th, 2013 06:23 pm (UTC)
Thanks, kathlyne. It definitely is starting off in the right position, or I imagine it would be leaking right away, and not after 4 hours.
What ended up being the right cup for you?
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